Talk:Cirrus SR20

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[edit] October 11 2006 crash in New York City

Why is this subject even being brought up in this article? This article is about the Cirrus SR20, not New York City, the New York Yankees, Cory Lidle, or even the more general topic of aircraft accidents and incidents. If we were to add narratives on every incident and accident, the Wikipedia aircraft articles would become bloated and meaningless. For that matter, why not start editing every article on Ford, General Motors and Daimler Chrysler cars every time someone crashes into a bridge abutment? I think the reference to the accident added today by 129.63.96.110 et seq. should be removed. —Quicksilver^{T @} 21:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, but wait a bit for some more opinions. Least that's what I recommend. (USMA2010 23:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC))

Mentioning notable accidents (not all accidents) make sense, because the accidents are part of the aircraft model's history. For example, the article on the Piper Comanche mentions Patsy Cline's death in a Comanche crash, the article on the Piper Saratoga mentions John F. Kennedy Jr.'s death in a 'Toga crash, and the article on the Beechcraft Bonanza mentions the deaths of Buddy Holly and others in Bonanza crashes, as well as Steve Wozniak's non-fatal Bo crash. I think that including the Lidle crash is fully in line with other articles. David 00:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Agree, and by keeping the reference, the article becomes just that much more informative. In fact, I'd like to see more accident references in this article, since the article itself says that several have crashed with issues with the chute system. Listing these would expand this legitimate issue, and add verifiability to it. Akradecki 20:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

"notable" is a subjective assertion. I consider accidents involving the successful deployment of the parachute noteworthy, but they're not mentioned. Specifying "notable" implies that these are all the noteworthy ones. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:36, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I have no objection to mentioning successful chute deployments as long as they're rare and significant enough to get a large amount of coverage in the mainstream media. See Wikipedia:Notability for a not-too-subjective definition of the term. David 00:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Notability is a guideline for editing of wikipedia, not a term that should appear in article space. It's an inherently subjective judgment and while the criteria are adopted for editing by consensus they shouldn't be forced onto readers. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 00:53, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Please feel free to substitute any other word that makes it clear that the section is not attempting to list all accidents, but only the notable/well-known/famous/important ones. David 11:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

My opinion should be that the section would be named notable with a warning similar to the one at the top. I also don't have a problem with the first chute deployment accident being listed, but beyond that the section should be for accidents that received larger then normal amounts of media attention (ie being mentioned in the national media not just the normal local stuff), and accidents that result in governments taking action against the aircraft, (for example the FAA grounding them, or releasing an emergency AD). PPGMD 03:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)