User talk:Chyeburashka

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Hello, Chyeburashka, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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[edit] List of personnel 351st Bomb Group 508th Bomb Squadron

I would question whether this is the sort of article Wikipedia should contain. The what Wikipedia is not page lists a memorial as one of the nots, and this article does seem to memorialise the members of the 508 Bomb Squadron. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks for the input. My father (who is now 86) was a member of the 511th Bomb Squadron, and he asked me if I could find some names of members of his organization. After some research on various web sites, I stitched together a set of lists for the 508th, 509th, 510th and his 511th Bomb Squadrons. I thought having this information organized per squadron might help others looking for similar data. There still are a few of these folks still alive, and they or their children may be looking for this data. Please advise further if necessary. I put up the list for the 508th first, and I'm still working on getting wiki-formatted lists for the 509th, 510th, and 511th squadrons. Chyeburashka 17:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


I'll be waiting for further advice before posting the data for the other three Bomb Squadrons, since it's a bit of work editing, sorting, etc. I'm new to being a wikipedia contributer, so thanks in advance for any help. Chyeburashka 17:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Me again. What's up ? Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Having thought for a minute, it might be that Wikisource here would be a better home for the personnel rosters and similar material (i.e. missions and the like, if you had plans for those). The formatting is pretty much identical to Wikipedia, so a straightforward cut & paste is fine. You can create links easily from Wikipedia to Wikisource to make the material accessible to readers: there are templates you can use in the articles like {{Template:WikisourceOther|Something}} (or see {{WikisourceOther}} and {{Wikisource}}). If you have any problems, please let me know and I'll do my best to help. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:36, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, Thanks. I'll put the material up on Wikisource then. I've run out of time to work on Wiki for now, so it may be a few days before I can make any further changes. I'll eventually put the lists up on Wikisource as suggested, with links from the Wikipedia article. As far as mission data and aircraft data, I have that information too, but it's more than just a matter of finding the time to wiki-format the data. Some of the information available on-line does not correspond exactly to my father's personal memory (which is still trustworthy), so errors may exist in that data. I'm naturally reluctant to post data which I have doubts about. Chyeburashka 17:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Before posting the roster data to Wikisource, I posted a question to the Scriptorium. Two respondants voiced their opinion that Wikisource was not the right place for this data, and that "many such lists" were used to complement Wikipedia articles. The raw original data (from the microfilm) might be appropriate for Wikisource, but not the compiled data. Chyeburashka 20:57, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I see, I have to say I'm not a Wikisource expert, so I would take the opinions you got there as being right. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of operas in Santa Fe

Before you do any more, please see my Discuission page entry just uploaded...

Vivaverdi 16:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Please also refer to Wikipedia:Manual of Style#italics and Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Titles for more info on the conventions.

There seems to be no point in "reinventing the wheel" here, and I'd rather not re-do all your entries to conform to a standard style.

Vivaverdi 17:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Thanks. When I get a chance, I'll go back and fix up what I've done so far.Chyeburashka 17:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments and agreement to make some changes. I've gone in and added some company and US premiere notes and, if you don't have that info, I can continue with this. I live in Santa Fe and have the latest book produced for the 50th Anniv., so all those things are listed.

However, I'm glad that you started this list; it begs the question as to whether there should be onbe for every opera company......

Vivaverdi 17:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cerro Grande fire?

Hey, fellow White Rocker! Any chance I could interest you in helping me write an article on the Cerro Grande fire? Seems like something that's worth a page -- even if it's painful.

Appreciate the help on Bandelier National Monument, to which I have powerful emotional ties. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 02:45, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Great minds (or even lesser ones) think alike. I just started poking around for just such an article a few days ago. I've got a large set of images at work which can be released with the PD-Los Alamos tag, I believe. I was evacuated from White Rock on early Thursday morning, along with three Los Alamos families staying in my "safe" house. Painful, yes. So, I agree, the Cerro Grande fire being the most destructive fire in New Mexico history is surely worth it. Thanks for fixing my spelling of the state capital. My bad. Feel free to apply yourself to the Tsankawi and Tsirege articles too. My daughter and I are hiking the Red Dot trail tomorrow morning (weather permitting), so I hope to get some petroglyph images of interest.Chyeburashka 03:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
OK. Drop me a note on my own talk page as regards the images, and I'll rummage for some other sources.
My own evacuation story is -- well -- odd. We too had people (in-laws and related) in our "safe" house, but for some never-explained reason, we didn't get the evacuation order until the next morning. I don't think we'd have missed it; mother-in-law and father-in-law were both crashed out on a couch right next to the front door, and would certainly have been awakened by people pounding on same. It just never came (which was doubly ironic in that our next-door neighbor at the time was a town cop!). So we woke up in the morning to a completely deserted town. We calmly packed up and headed off to Santa Fe to stay with friends, missing the middle-of-the-night traffic jam as we had the roads completely to ourselves. I don't propose to put that story in the Cerro Grande article, though! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 03:11, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I've started a Cerro Grande Fire article. It's still a stub; go do good things! -- Bill-on-the-Hill 16:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dome fire and La Mesa fire

I was thinking about that (I'd moved here as a grad student right before the La Mesa fire and was actually dating a Bandelier ranger at the time), but two things: First, I'm not sure either of those fires necessarily qualify as "major" enough to have more than local interest. Second, since Cerro Grande does qualify as "major" by any reasonable standards, I'd rather put my energy into getting that one right. However, you're right that they deserve to be archived somewhere, somehow. I'd be happy to set aside reservation #1 (far more trivial things are on Wikipedia), but want to finish this article first. If in the mood, plunge forward, though. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 04:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK!

Updated DYK query On 30 August 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cerro Grande Fire, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Congratulations on behalf of User:Blnguyen --Bravada, talk - 03:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
PS. Perhaps by some chance you know where to get the lyrics of Gena's song (the "nanana" one covered by Ray Conniff and the Red Army Choir), let alone a recording?

<administers virtual high-five> -- Bill-on-the-Hill 04:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Misapplication of tag

There is a distinction between a stub encyclopaedia article and a dictionary article. That a stub encyclopaedia article has little beyond a definition does not magically make it into a dictionary article. Some editors labour under the misapprehension that dictionary articles are short, and that therefore "short article" and "dictionary article" are synonymous. They are not synonymous at all. The reality is that many dictionary articles are in fact quite long. Eventually, most will be.

The proper distinction between an encyclopaedia article and a dictionary article is the use-mention distinction. A dictionary article will be about a word or an idiomatic phrase, whereas a stub encyclopaedia article will be about the person/concept/event/place/thing denoted by that word or phrase. A stub encyclopaedia article entitled microeconomic reform will be about microeconomic reform. There won't be a dictionary article by that title because the phrase "microeconomic reform" is not idiomatic. It is a simple combination of the adjective "microeconomic" and the noun "reform".

The correct tag for a short encyclopedia articles is one of the many stub tags. Uncle G 08:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Just wanted to say thanks for your great work on New Mexico fires and no doubt many other things. Keep up the good work. BTW, do you work at Sandia or Los Alamos? My uncle worked at Sandia for long time. :) jengod 19:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vera von Blumenthal

Vote added, per your request. Your commentary was spot-on. I'll see about adding content when I get some time -- am taking the day off, so maybe this afternoon. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:46, 20 December 2006 (UTC) (P.S. If you're who I think you are, let's discuss this at work tomorrow.)

I left WR 10 minutes before the decision to close was made. So I drove all the way to 16-824, only to come back. You're welcome to stop by my home on Bryce (across the street and 3 doors west of the WR Presb with two green Fords in the driveway (one truck, one car). I can show off my new 24" iMac. Chyeburashka 22:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Interesting; you aren't who I thought you were, although I live about three blocks away from you (on Ridgecrest). I'll be in touch. Incidentally, I have a call in to Rory Gauthier, park archaeologist at Bandelier, to get more primary sources on VvB. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 03:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
A little from that aforementioned call to Rory: It turns out that Vera von Blumenthal and Rose Dougan are the subject of a Master's thesis currently being written by an anthropology student in Santa Fe (most likely living there while doing her research for UNM). He sent me contact info for her, and I'll get in touch. We should do this in a way that doesn't interfere with her writing the thing, and eventually, quote her in the article. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 14:40, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
That's good news. After the thesis is published, then that information can be referenced. Before publication, I would guess that would fall into the category of original research. Or something like that. But if the Anthro student has some good published references, perhaps she would even be willing to directly contribute. Good job on the Hewett article BTW. If anyone were to begin a stub on Rose Dugan/Dougan, she may attended the very same flight school [1] as Henry H. Arnold. Chyeburashka 21:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
In case you haven't seen it, the vote ended in a decision not to delete. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 17:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edgar Lee Hewett

Steve, you might take a look at what I've been doing with Hewett's article. This was a really important guy in the history of New Mexico, and I'm surprised there wasn't already an article for him (and, modesty aside, feel a certain pride in the way the article is shaping up); but my reason for the suggestion is that there may be some leads in it on VvB and Rose D. I haven't comprehensively mined the references cited in that, so maybe poking around at them might reveal something that I missed. -- Bill-on-the-Hill 05:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 351st Bomb Group Page

Hi - I try not to be like some wikipedians and just randomly vandalize pages with junk. I added a modern day lineage link to the 351st Missile Wing, which was located at Whiteman AFB, MO. The AF did a strange thing when the transferred lineage of WWII groups to "modern" day wings (after 1947), but I wanted to keep the link from the "old" to the "new" (or "old" to the "old" since the 351st MW was deactivated years ago.) Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. TDRSS

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