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Hi Chuq. welcome to Wikipedia! If you ever need editing help visit Wikipedia:How does one edit a page or how to format them visit our manual of style. If you need pointers on how we title pages visit Wikipedia:Naming conventions. If you have any other questions about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or add a question to the Village pump.

It's always nice to welcome another Aussie here. You'll find quite a few. If you've got any photos of Hobart (or indeed anything else that needs illustration), uploading some good ones (that you've taken yourself or have permission to use under our copyright) would be much appreciated!Robert Merkel 03:53 13 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Please note the highlighting convention, exemplified in my editing of Tasman Bridge. Michael Hardy 02:12, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome's :) - Chuq


Hey Chuq- I noticed that you posted a revision to List of songs whose title does not appear in the lyrics, but the changes don't show up (if you compare it to the previous version, they're identical, and the artists that you mention in the comment aren't in the list). I just thought you might want to know; hope you get the chance to put in the actual changes. -- DropDeadGorgias 15:12, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Fixed my stupid kerfuffle at National Highway (Australia)/Princes Highway/Highway 1. And I merged your stuff to the proper preexisting article. Sorry bout that :) Dysprosia 04:42, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No problem - I have made the original Highway 1 article a disambig page!--Chuq 04:45, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Charles/Charlie - i went to a bit of trouble to find out the call letters of the 7 Darwin station and it was lost in your revert - i hope the new compromise is to your satisfaction. PMA 00:53, Mar 10, 2004 (UTC)

Good work on WIN Television - any chance of doing NBN?

Sorry for editing your talk on Talk:List of Australian television channels - someone had just done the same to me on the same page and i was trying to fix it and also i thought i'd add information - information that turned out to be wrong for which i completely apologise. PMA 15:42, Mar 27, 2004 (UTC)

Darwin is a capital city is is not - why do you list it as a regional area in WIN Television? PMA 01:46, Mar 28, 2004 (UTC)
Because as television markets go, it is not a capital city market - similar to Canberra and Hobart, which are also capital cities, but are in regional markets. --Chuq 13:06, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

What about "One, singular sensation, every little step she takes"? It's from A Chorus Line.
Three Dog Night, by the way, is the very band that did "Joy to the World" (Jeremiah was a bullfrog . . .) Wiwaxia 00:45, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Just an explanation about the way I've been doing some redirections. For example, Richmond. There are Richmond's in at least four states of Australia, as well as many more around the world. I have made Richmond, Australia a redirect to Richmond (the disambig page), which there has a list of Australian Richmond's on it. I have decided against making Richmond, Australia its own disambig page, because if wording needs to be changed or additional places need to be listed, they then need to be done in two places. The way I have done it, it only needs to be done on Richmond. --Chuq 14:13, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Australian Prime Ministers

I have two problems. The first is that there is already a link to Prime Minister of Australia at each of the Prime Ministers' articles - why do we need a second link to a list of Prime Ministers? The second is the huge white space created at the right hand of the article. Until you learn how to add the category link without creating this space (see Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom) I will revert it. Adam 04:14, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I don't care what is causing the problem, I am just saying I will revert it when it causes the white space to appear. And you have not responded to my first point. Adam 04:37, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Some people are just jerks like this. They revert stuff instead of fixing it, and sometimes they bother to explain why. If this is all kept in an open forum, we can all see how much of a jerk they are, and eventually they give up. --ssd 07:07, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Some people also dislike edits which serve no useful purpose and which pay no attention to the appearance of the page, and which the people who make them just leave without making any effort to fix. Some people also dislike being called jerks by total strangers when the issue is none of their business. Adam 07:30, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Sorry, but when someone says "I don't care...I will revert it..." without making any attempt to discuss or solve the problem, they are being a counterproductive jerk, even if they are right, and even if I agree with them. --ssd 00:15, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re:Cricket categories
Thankyou.
SimonMayer 13:57, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)


Australian federal Members of Parliament are called MPs, not MHRs. I told you this, but you went ahead and created your Category with the incorrect name, and added it to a whole bunch of articles. Since it is technically impossible to rename a Category, I have now had to delete all your Category tags. You have thus wasted your own time and mine. Research should precede editing. Adam 16:06, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

It is not a question of what is equivalent or what is more logical. It is a question of what is the correct and official usage, which is MP and not MHR. (I know this because I work for a federal MP.) I told you this but you went ahead with the incorrect usage, leaving me no choice to delete your tags. Adam 05:46, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)

As I said above, I don't see why we need this category at all, when a much more informative article already exists at List of members of the Australian House of Representatives, an article which gives party labels and dates of election rather than just a list of names. So I don't intend doing any work to create a redundant article. I come here to write articles, not to compile useless lists. If you want to do so, that is your business, but if you again use the incorrect form I will again delete it. The correct form is Category:Australian federal MPs. Adam 08:18, 6 Jun 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Hiding bot edits on watchlist?

from the pump

Since my watchlist has been flooded by Template namespace initialisation script edits [1], is there any way to disable bots from being visible on this page, similar to how they can be blocked on recent changes? I've tried &hidebots=1 (or &showbots=0, whatever it was), but no luck. Chuq 03:01, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't these edits should be marked 'minor'? If they were we could opt to ignore minor edits in the watchlist. --Chopchopwhitey 03:37, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Marking the edits as minor won't help. The watchlist works by querying the cur table, there's no way to check for edits further back in history. It's not really practical to change this with the current schema. I could filter out bot edits, but you would still not be able to see edits to articles which occurred before the bot's. And it's not really a bot, it's a script. -- Tim Starling 03:53, Jun 4, 2004 (UTC)
Point by point: Marking the edits as minor will help - I can exclude minor edits from showing up. And, of course, the edit is rightly of a minor nature so there is no problem there. There is a way - it is just not implemented! What is really not practical is screwing up the watchlist: It is only through the vigilence of countless editors that useless / poor / bad / inaccurate / vanadalistic edits are discovered. The primary tool for that is the watchlist. Frankly, I can't be bothered to scan the 100's of articles I now watch because the bot / script / macro / program doesn't mark the edits as minor. But better would be an option to exclude the edits of any one bot / user. I am most appreciative of all your highly valuable work - all that is being suggested is an improvement to Wikimedia. And the suggestion is being made to a person with the opportunity and the skill set to implement the improvement. Paul Beardsell 15:55, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Submitted this feature months ago, with no success but I am still interested in the issue. Greudin

See my user talk page for a more extensive answer, but in short:

- Andre Engels 09:26, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that note about the electorates. It's a project I'll probably get into down the line some - I've got more important things to work on right now, but that could be fairly useful then. :) Ambivalenthysteria 11:56, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] European Union Olympic medals count for 2004

Hi there,

I wonder would you consider reversing your decision to delete this article. I have substantially rewritten it. A united EU team is not going to happen. I've discussed potential EU co-operation towards the olympics, and kept the table. I believe the table is valid, for us Europeans/EUians to see how the area has fared as a whole. Please comment on my talk page if you still feel the article should be deleted.

zoney ███ talk 00:59, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Oops

Hey chuq, when I reverted the vandalism on New Zealand I didn't notice he had altered the m² thingies too. Thanks for fixing them. Cheers. Moriori 01:57, Aug 18, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Olympic pages - flags

The tables are looking good. I'm not familiar with the flag histories so I only changed what came to mind and what I happened to spot-check. There are probably still a few left out there... It looks like User:Udzu left some annotations when doing the earlier olympics, but more checking is needed. I hope what I did was a start. --Jiang 08:52, 22 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Olympics

I came across three categories which had only one member each, in a situation in which all other records of that ilk (19xx Summer Olympics) appeared to have three categories: Olympics; the year, and the location. So I changed the three to that pattern. And then discovered a second article which could have gone into the 1908 Summer Olympics category. And stopped. And went to the pub. I tend to think that what's needed - what you might already have been working towards - is to have Olympics as a master category, having subcategories of 19xx Summer Olympics &c, and then the substantice 19xx Summer Olympics articles in that category. So, in short: seeking to avoid categories with one member, and thinking that the Olympics needs better subcategorisation than it's got right now. best wishes --Tagishsimon

Please do change it back, if you feel strongly about it. I had a look at some more of the categorisation ... I'm not sure I can understand quite what the plan is. There seems to be at least one, and perhaps two redundant levels of categorisation to me - why Category:Olympics and Category:Olympic Games? And then you have to go into Category:Summer Olympic Games before you start hitting any payload ... which will now be another set of categories for each year... Having to go down through three or more levels with little in them before you get to articles, strikes me as a categorisation hierarchy in desperate need of amendment. Category:London has way more articles and way fewer levels in its hierarchy. Good luck. Tagishsimon

I saw the chart- My goal is to work on finishing up all of these countries for 2004, and then work back, olympics by olympics. I'm JUST now reading through all the project pages, so I'm still discovering new resources to make these pages :). Lyellin 00:43, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

Ahh great - after making the table (and there's still more to add) I wondered if there would be enough people on Wikipedia to both making all the articles linked to it! -- Chuq 00:45, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Cities of Mexico

There already is Category:Cities in Mexico. RedWolf 21:08, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Olympic Games

Chuq, sorry for the late reply to your note on my talk page. Your changes to the Olympic WikiProject seem very ambitious, given that I have never gotten round to even finishing the original template. I still need to look at it in detail, but it looks good. I attended the 2004 Games, so I may add some pictures later. Regards, Jeronimo 09:29, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion

Please do not place {{delete}} on pages that don't meet the speedy deletion guidelines. Especially, if you think something is a violation of copyright, don't put it on speedy delete; put it on Wikipedia:Copyright problems.

In the case of United States Constabulary, the source text was a work of the United States government, which makes it public domain and thus legitimately uploadable here. —Morven 08:35, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism in progess

I accidentally deleted a lot of stuff on Sept 17. I am now working to restore aand check any missing parts. I have to copy and paste since there are new additions. Thanks for brining this to my attention . It saves me further embarrassment. My sincerest apologizes--Jondel 09:13, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguating the Melbourne suburbs

I'll give you a hand bypassing redirects and the like, but I have to say I'm still not sure about what to do with the variables and the tables. It seems to me like we're deadlocked between the type of tables we both prefer - I think we ought to get some other opinions about it first. Thanks for moving the pages around though, it's all long overdue. T.P.K. 08:54, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Triple J

How did the contact with the radio station go? Don't forget to mention Ta bu shi da yu... :P I want to be on beat the drum!!! - Ta bu shi da yu 14:20, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hey, what images do you want? I'm not too bad at winkling down contacts and getting permission. Give me the image links (csherlock at ljh dot com dot au) and I'll see what I can do. Personally, I reckon this is most definitely front page material!!! - Ta bu shi da yu 03:30, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox MelbourneSuburbTable

Seeing as this has been replaced (and I think the new one is an improvement), do you want me to delete it? I also created Port Phillip Bay, Victoria as a redirect so it will work with the table 1 now. T.P.K. 03:19, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Australian noticeboard

I finally got around to plagiarising the Irish idea and creating an Australian wikipedians' noticeboard, in order to try and co-ordinate filling some of the holes in Australian content. If you could drop by, it'd be much appreciated. Ambi 05:49, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Nice work on List of Australian musicians, by the way. Makes the list much more accessible. I hadn't seen the article before - seems we've got quite a lot of work to do! By the way, the formatting for the "D" section looks a bit screwy? Ambi 07:13, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Australian domestic team names

Those names look fine to me. As long as Tasmanian Tigers is different from Tasmanian tiger there's no real ambiguity. --dmmaus 12:09, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] You're a sysop!

I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. Congratulations!. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia | Talk 15:15, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Congrats Chuq! Jeez, I wish I'd kept up with the nominations page, I would have voted for you! Anyways, now you're one of us... have fun deleting and reverting till the wee hours :P T.P.K. 15:59, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Prime Television editing

Thanks for the nice comments! Also, thanks for fixing the Prime Television article...I wanted to re-design the Prime page to include brief histories on the stations that made up Prime...

Cheers!
User:BigDan

[edit] dude your an idiot

with the terrorist thing at burnie high school, it wasn't in the examiner. thats where wikipedia comes in, covering the stuff that print media doesn't. and btw ask the police, they have it on record, its called hushing it up for the public safety. and stop spreading dirty rumours

[edit] Fluids

Can you help me out with why you reverted my edit? I found the original formulation quite clumsy - was the issue the possible risk of STDs? Thanks, The Recycling Troll 02:35, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] edit of Tracy

G'day, you formatted the bit on pop culture related to Cyclone Tracy, to get rid of a link to (the non-existent article) bombing of darwin, just wondering why you did this and if you would have any complaints to me putting the link back in? The bellman 08:18, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

cool bannanas, will do. The bellman 08:29, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

On second thoughts im gonna move this over to the aussie talk page to see what other ppl say. The bellman 09:12, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] 'Template' location

Hello again...If I was to add information to some of the Tasmanian city pages, is there some kind of way I have to do it (i.e. sections/headings, formatting)? I've had a bit of a look around and I haven't found anything definitive; if there isn't I'd probably do it similar to the Launceston one. Thanks. --uvarov 16:17, Oct 2, 2004 (UTC)

1st off if you want to sent me a comment do it to MY talk page. i was telling him, if you read my comments, that i agreed with SOME of the things he changed. a lot of his edits i thought were quite reasonable. some, i thought were exessive and as such thought that everything would be reverted by "some lefty" who didnt like part and couldnt be bothered to fix it up. i think that a lot of his edits deserve to remain and if i had time i would go through it and re-add them myself. Xtra 13:26, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Hey There

Hey, just saw you made some edits to the 'launceston' article, don't happen to live here, do you?

[edit] 68.49.181.138

Looks like we're both on the course of this gentlemen. That copyvio'd stuff he's inserting really isn't appropriate for Wikipedia, and I'm inclined to simply delete it. Mackensen 18:44, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Melbourne map

I am afraid I can't remember where I got the original that I traced. Basically I picked a suitable map from the internet and then traced it in Adobe Illustrator. The file is 509KB so easy to upload or email. There should be a place to upload AI files for this purpose but I haven't seen it. If you have Adobe Illustrator then you would be able to use the same colour palettes and styles. Alternatively, if you use some other drawing programme I suggest you take a copy of the Melbourne map and "eyedropper" the colours if you want to be consistent. --CloudSurfer 23:22, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. If you have a vector graphics programme like Adobe Illustrator then I highly recommend it's use for map making. I have not used photoshop and I believe it has layers so that would be very good. The nice thing about vector graphics is that you have perfect line width and easily editable text. You can set the line width to whatever looks good at the size you expect to use and then later reset it if change the size of the map. You also have a choice at any time of outputing the resolution at any setting. It is also easy to trace into vector graphics as you start with nothing and add from there. At the start you have a map and then you trace the coast for instance. You can then make the coast invisible and trace the roads. It's well worth the learning curve. --CloudSurfer 05:31, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

I don't actually, I just used the Adelaide City Council [2] site for Adelaide - Aaron Hill 07:07, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Forgetting game

My response to your "sock-puppet" accusation at Talk:Forgetting game.

Let me step in: There are some clearly dubious users who voted for keeping this article-- some had few posts, others were known vandals, one made the laughable claim that an article's being featured on a Wikipedia mirror made it notable. These people may have been trolls, overzealous forgetting-game enthusiasts, or even people who wanted deletion of this article and sought to damage the credibility of the opposing side-- I don't know who they are nor what their motives were. I addressed this in my post.
They surely aren't "my" sock-puppets. I work in politics, and coming up on an election year I have almost zero spare time, certainly no time to play immature, silly games on the Wikipedia. Especially not over a social phenomenon to which I have no real attachment. My friend (with whose identity mine is sometimes conflated here, but in fact we live over 1,000 miles apart, and there's almost a ten-year age difference) taught it to me and said it was popular among some British college students he knew; I verified that he wasn't making it up.
It's fair to suspect that some of the dubious, few-edit users are sock-puppets of some kind. They're not my sock-puppets. I had nothing to do with them. 259 06:29, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Tasmanian Parliaments

Nice work on the two parliament articles - it's nice to see some of the others being actually developed, instead of being redirects. I'd like to see us having an article on every state MP someday, but we can't do that without lists of them, which in turn require articles on the parliament so they're not orphans. Ambi 12:11, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Nomination vote

Hey, thanks for the vote! A real confidence boost, especially when I'm feeling down =) - Ta bu shi da yu 12:37, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Ah, I see. Sorry about that—I certainly didn't meant to mess up your map! [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 00:22, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Tasmanian Casinos

Hi Chuq. Could you possibly add something to Tasmania or its related articles saying why the state has two casinos? WA, NSW and Vic all only have one casino, despite having larger populations. - Mark 01:35, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

All those casinos! Is gambling more of a problem in the eastern states? I know Western Australians supposedly spend more on Lotto tickets than anyone else, but at the same time pokie machines are banned outside Burswood Casino (so no clubs or anything with pokies) and the ones at Burswood can't be single-button-push style ones, they require you to press at least 2 buttons per play, or something like that. Even if Tasmania's 2 casinos are not special in Australia (4 in Qld???) they are still presumably highly relevant to talk abuout tourism. Are they both in Hobart? - Mark 06:02, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] George Strait albums

I put this in my user discussion, but I'm repeating it here: I'll be adding more to them. A lot of artists who have articles on here have seperate articles for each of their albums, so I don't think it's a waste of space. In the end, they won't just be track lists. --Beau99 22:26, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Is there pedestrian/bicycle access to the Tasman Bridge?

Hi Chuq- After looking at the link to the webcam showing the Tasman Bridge, I noticed (in the LARGE view) that there seems to be a footway on the bridge. A quick google found a site mentioning a "footway" on each side of the bridge. Is there pedestrian/bicycle access to the bridge? --Paullaw, 17:13 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Forgive me, I restored Xin Wang

It's obvious vanity and deletable under deletion guidelines, but I really don't think it falls under speedy deletion guidelines, which are very narrow and really refer only to short scraps of nonsense.

You gave "vanity" as the reason, but "vanity" is not one of the criteria for speedy deletion, so I restored the article.

The articles comes close to falling under "Test pages (e.g., 'Can I really create a page here?')" and "Very short articles with little or no context (e.g., 'He is a funny man that has created Factory and the Hacienda. And, by the way, his wife is great.')"

I think it's a waste of time discussing this article in VfD, but it has to be done. I don't think it will waste much time as the article is such obvious vanity, and we really do have be punctilious about process. In VfD everyone gets a chance to see the article before it's deleted, but non-sysops have no way of seeing deleted articles, and some of them are a little paranoid about the possibility of abuse of process. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith (talk)]] 22:30, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Monopoly links

Collateral damage from edition conflict...my apologies.

[edit] Tasman Bridge page pedestrian access info.

Thanks for adding the information about pedestrian access to the Tasman Bridge article. Anything that empowers people to get out of their cars and hike or bike is good for them and good for the planet. I do my bit to decrease global warming by riding my recumbent 5 miles each way to work. When the weather is inclement, I use my monthly transit pass to take the bus. Ironically, the only times I've passed over the Tasman Bridge was by car, when touring the island with a friend, who lives in Sydney. (We took the car ferry over from Melbourne.) Dennis (talk) 13:50, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Triple J Hottest 100 Years

Thanks for your efforts on that page - I think it looks a lot better. Do you think anything else needs to be done before creating more of these? (apart from working out how to link them on the Hottest 100 page itself) Ambi 01:20, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] CPSU

Well, I'll be damned! Who would have thought people have this kind of sense of humor! What's next? KGB? (No. Looks like firmly taken...) Mikkalai

Here you go... For other uses of the initials FBI, see FBI (disambiguation). Mikkalai 05:25, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] List of members of the Tasmanian House of Assembly

Would you mind if I moved this (and the matching Legislative Council page) to "Members of the Tasmanian House of Assembly, XXXX-XXXX" to match the format of the federal page (and all the other state ones that I've done since, based on that)? Ambi 08:52, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

That's easily fixed - we could just have a page for those who were members in between two respective elections, regardless of when they were individually elected. That's what we do for the Senate at the moment. Ambi 02:58, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions

They were created by an anon who was eventually blocked for having posted several copyright violations, including these. I deleted them because they were the few remaining postings of his/hers which had not yet been deleted. RickK 20:45, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

BTW, I don't know who undeleted them (you can't tell from the history), but you might want to check http://lifeinlegacy.com/ to see if they're copyright violations, and do the right thing and list them accordingly, or redelete them as the case may be. I did my part, I'm not going to redo what was correct because somebody else doesn't want to do their homework. RickK 20:48, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] milne

that's fine, it happens to all of us. Xtra 23:17, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Parliament Templates

I've removed that sidebar from the 1993-1996 article, because it was overlapping with the table, and I can't see any way of getting around this. I tried moving it to the bottom, but because it's a sidebar, it just looked bad.

It's a good idea, though. I've gotten around it so far by using a footer instead of a sidebar (i.e. Members of the Australian Capital Territory Legislative Assembly, 2004-2007) - maybe this is the way to go? Ambi 10:44, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Redirect

LOL! I don't know if I was sleepy when I did that redirect, but I sure as shootin' wasn't going to let another idiotic B-Movie Bandit substub stay as it was!  :^) Thanks for fixing that. - Lucky 6.9 17:12, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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