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Influences

She grew up admiring artists such as Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Etta James, Judy Garland, Lena Horne, Barbra Streisand, Otis Redding, Madonna, Minnie Riperton, Bessie Smith, Janis Joplin, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Janet Jackson, Sade, Stevie Wonder, and Aretha Franklin.

I have never known of Christina to mention Judy Garland, Barbra Streisand, Sade, or Janis Joplin as her influences... Nor as she ever mentioned Minnie Riperton or Otis Redding, although they are mentioned in the song Back in the Day on Back to Basics. If we are to include everyone that is mentioned in the lyrics of that song we would have to also include Donnie Hathaway, James Brown, Gladys Knight, Louis Armstrong, Coltrane, Ray Charles, Nat King Cole, and Miles Davis. Also, does this info have to be cited?--Geokaii 09:38, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

F.U.S.S.

One track, "F.U.S.S.", was written as a response to the animosity between Aguilera and Scott Storch during the recording of Stripped.

I remember reading that the animosity between the two began only after the release of Stripped, during the beginning stage of recording Back To Basics. Apparently her record company would not pay to charter a plane for Storch to fly from his studio in Miami to Las Angeles and he didn't think Christina had supported him.--Geokaii 10:29, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Parents not Catholic

Aguilera's parents were Mormon, not Catholic. They met at BYU and married in a Mormon temple.

Christina herself has said that her parents are Catholic (her mother's side is Irish-German Catholic while her father's side is from Ecuador and so are Spanish Catholic). 130.39.109.45 01:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/12627 http://www.morgannews.us/rumor.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animeanimals (talk • contribs) 18:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

Hollywood glamour look

many of her fans believe she is one of the main proponents (along with Dita Von Teese, Gwen Stefani and Ashley Judd) in bringing back the 1920s-1940s Hollywood glamour look.

Then "many of her fans" (sic) are either very young or similarly misinformed. I agree she is the most visible female celebrity invoking the style at this point, but is there ever a point when some female celebrity doesn't invoke this durable style?--Son of Somebody 08:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Mom is Canadian

Christina's mom isn't from Newfoundland. She is from Pennsylvania, USA! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC).

Grammy Award Winning

STOP!!! The person who keeps erasing "Grammy Winning" from the introduction is clearly being prejudice. Christina has won 3 Grammy awards along with a Latin Grammy award. It is safe to say she is a "GRAMMY AWARD" winning singer. The same way it does for other singers who have won Grammys.--67.187.218.213 02:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

But is she noted because of the Grammys she wins? Category:Grammy Award winners has a list of about 800 Grammy winner, what makes her different from the other ~790 others? --wL<speak·check·chill> 04:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of how many Grammys she has won, she is still a "Grammy Award Winning" artist. Period. "Grammy Award Winning."
She has won a Grammy therefore she is a Grammy Award winner. --FreeWikiWiki 18:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia, as I see these are your first edits. We're not disputing whether or not Aguilera is a Grammy Award winner, but if it is important enough to be included in the first sentence of the article. My point is that there are about 800 other grammy winners. Yes, the grammy mentions should be in the lead, but that's not what identifies her. It shows POV. As a matter of fact, Kate Winslet, an actress has won a Grammy. But we don't put her as "grammy award winning". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by WikiLeon (talk • contribs) 19:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
Grammy Awards can be notable (though they are not automatically notable), and in the context of Aguilera's career they are probably notable enough to mention in the lead section of this article, but they shouldn't be used to define her (by introducing her straight away as "Grammy Award-winning"). POV issues (of which there are several) aside, the Grammys are mentioned four other times in the lead section (creating repetition that is jarring for the reader), and WP:LEAD#Provide_an_accessible_overview states "The first sentence in the lead section should be a concise definition of the topic" - including "Grammy Award-winning" prevents this from happening. I refuse to get into this again - see Talk:Christina_Aguilera/Archive04#.22Grammy-winning.22 for an earlier discussion about this involving myself and other editors. Extraordinary Machine 21:28, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
That's interesting because when I look at other artists such as Joss Stone & Corinne Bailey Rae, they are noted for being nominated for a Grammy. They have not even won a Grammy and they are still noted as "Grammy Award nominated" artists. A Grammy is a very prestigious award and an artist should be honored for winning ANY Grammy. Additionally, artists such as India Arie (2 Grammys), Jill Scott (1 Grammy), and Ciara (1 Grammy) are all noted as "Grammy Award winning" artists. Christina Aguilera has won 3 Grammys and 1 Latin Grammy. Lastly, I would consider the categories in which Christina Aguilera won 'notable' categories. Best New Artist, Best Pop Collaboration with Vocals, and Best Female Pop Vocal Performance are 'notable' Grammy categories. Not to mention the Latin Grammy for Best Female Pop Vocal Album and the numerous other Grammy Award nominations in several different major categories. I don't understand what is not 'notable' about this. I added "Grammy Award winning" back into the intro. --FreeWikiWiki 22:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
They shouldn't be noted in the first sentence, as the the lead policy tells us. The first sentence should state generally what the subject does, not how well s/he does it. Of course, a Grammy is a prestigeous award, so it should be mentioned in the lead. But it only tells how good a musician is, not only that she is. To put it another way, Martin Luther King, Jr.'s article does not read "Martin Luther King, Jr. is a Nobel Peace Prize winning political activist." The notability of awards usually go into the second sentence. ----wL<speak·check·chill> updated 08:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. That's a good example. After looking at Martin Luther King Jr.'s page, I agree. I totally understand what you are saying. I'm okay with removing "Grammy Award winning" from the lead sentence as long as each Grammy is mentioned elsewhere in the article. Thanks for the clarification. I would like to note, however, that many other artists do not follow this same rule. --FreeWikiWiki 14:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

References

The references are sloppy because some of them are only numbered external links that have no definition to them. Some references also look malformed. But thanks to whoever split them up into two columns in Fx --wL<speak·check·chill> 08:54, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Christina Aguilera: I Cook Naked With My Husband

NEW YORK — Christina Aguilera has no problem showing skin — especially on weekends with her husband, music executive Jordan Bratman. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,250579,00.html Crocoite 21:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's useless info. But I wonder what they'll "do to keep the marriage alive" after the 18 month anniversary.--Son of Somebody 14:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Next Album?

I didn't read every word of the article, so maybe it mentions it, but are there any details about Christina's next album? She doesn't seem to be as heavy on the old-skool look any more, and she's released three songs so I'd be thinking it's time to move on. Back To Basics doesn't have anywhere near as many potential singles as Stripped, and there are two discs instead of oe! 212.139.222.62 21:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

When you mean next album, do you mean Back to Basics or whatever she releases afterward? --wL<speak·check·chill> 23:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Origin

Since when has Christina been from oklahoma or however you spell it, she was born in New York city. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Louievanstone (talk • contribs) 15:57, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

The Oklahoma birth seems false. It was originally added by '84.69.61.78'- who also thought that her career began in 2002. Spellcast 08:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I just reverted several versions of this page; for some reason, it was reverted to a version that said she was born in Oklahoma. There seems to be a lot of editing warring at the moment, so I reverted to a version before the edit wars began. Acalamari 02:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I was rather surprised to see that someone this famous has so little biographical information on Wikipedia.Ronstock 16:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Photo

Would somone please change the photogragh to anything other thatn what it is currently. The current photo shows nothing of her current style, weight &/or image. Hiltonhampton 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

"Block Attention"

What does "As a child she performed at block attention" mean? Got me scratching my head. Was she a railway signalman as a child? Any ideas? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.12.144.21 (talk) 05:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

It's supposed to say "Block party" --wL<speak·check> 23:32, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Grammy intro

The intro repeats her Grammy wins in 5 sentences. There's no doubt this deserves to be in the intro but must it be mentioned 5 times? If you look at a featured article like Weird Al Yankovic, it summarises his awards in a sentence: "His works have earned him three Grammy Awards amongst nine nominations, three gold records, and five platinum records." So rather than repeat her wins 5 times, it would be better to say that "Her works have earned her 5 Grammy Awards amongst 16 nominations" and then list the specific awards later in the article. When she was promoted to a good article here, it summarised her awards rather than repeated it. Spellcast 10:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Go, go, go! --wL<speak·check> 06:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

This was delisted as a good article due to the reasons posted by ShadowHalo here. One point says that the Grammy table has a rather POV layout so I've started by removing the colour which highlights the rows where an award was won. Spellcast 13:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

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