Talk:Christer Fuglesang
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[edit] Trivia
Erh, isn't it more relevant that Fuglesang means bird song in Norwegian. Since it's a Norwegian name, Hdw 23:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- In written language Norwegian and Danish are very similar, so even if bird song is fuglesang in Danish, bird song might be fuglesang in Norwegian too. I also think that the surname Fuglesang sounds more Norwegian than Danish. Furthermore I believe Christer Fuglesang's father is Norwegian. Here in Sweden bird song would be fågelsång, but that's not a surname. 23:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Why could not Fågelsång be a Swedish surname? If e.g. Dag och Natt (lit. 'Day and Night') can, why not Fågelsång? Of course, there probably is no such existing surname (yet), but one can not claim that Fågelsång is not a surname without further motivation.
- Trivia: In September (or Ocrober?), I ate lunch at the AlbaNova research center (my former working place) just next to Christer Fuglesang and his company (probably old companianons at KTH). I didn't realize back then that he would go to space a few months later. I would of course have wished him good luck if I knew.
- Jens Persson (213.67.64.22 09:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC))
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- Ok, I should have written: "Here in Sweden bird song would be fågelsång, but that's not an existing (but plausible) surname. 16:04, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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- At least in the phone book gulasidorna.se noone has the name Fågelsång, at least with a non-secret phone subscription. Four people are called Fuglesang, apparently one of them Christer's father. -- BIL 16:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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- I can now confirm that his father is Norwegian (born in Oslo) and moved to Sweden as a 16-year-old (in the 1940s).[1] (Norwegian) 00:14, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Fuglesang is "bird song" in bokmål (since bokmål is originally Danish), but not in nynorsk. --Tannkremen 17:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Stolen from NASA
Almost all text on this page is stolen from NASA (or the other way around -- perhaps a bit unlikely): http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/fuglesan.html —preceding unsigned comment by 213.80.114.39 (talk • contribs)
I believe NASA work is free to use with certain exceptions (the logo for example). Please sign with four tildes (the one that shares a key with the hash) Thanks! Britmax 14:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, NASA work is generally in public domain. /Slarre 15:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Without having done any research into the policy of NASA, I assume they want to be acknowledged as the source, no? And even if they don't want to be acknowledged, wouldn't it be adequate to state that the whole text is from NASA? My personal opinion is that all text from NASA should be removed and replaced with just a link. 213.80.114.39 05:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Found this: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/policies.html#Guidelines (see p. 4) -- And again, I think a link is the most appropriate. 213.80.114.39 05:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- We generally try to acknowledge sources. Other then out of respect for the creators, one of the key reasons why this is very important is that public domain material is often used by various people and websites and may not always be acknowledged. As such, if someone claims it's a copyvio from a licensed source, when we have proper sourcing we can easily see that it's not, it's from a public domain source, the other source must have copied from the public domain source. However if the material from NASA is public domain, then there is no legal requirement, whatever NASA may wish. Generally speaking, if the material is relevant to the article, there is nothing wrong with taking it from NASA per se. Material from other sources is not always suitable for wikipedia and may also not contain sufficient reliable sources for our purposes. At the very least, it often needs to be reworded. However, there is no need to remove copyvios from public domain sources which are suitable for wikipedia. It will usually be reworked over time anyway. Our only concern is when the copyvios are from copyrighted sources not released under the GFDL. Nil Einne 12:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- As far as I can tell, NASA holds copyright to this work and requires the source to be acknowledged. Besides, acknowledging the source has a value apart from recognizing the ideal rights of the author -- one can judge the content based on the source. 213.80.114.39 22:33, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- We generally try to acknowledge sources. Other then out of respect for the creators, one of the key reasons why this is very important is that public domain material is often used by various people and websites and may not always be acknowledged. As such, if someone claims it's a copyvio from a licensed source, when we have proper sourcing we can easily see that it's not, it's from a public domain source, the other source must have copied from the public domain source. However if the material from NASA is public domain, then there is no legal requirement, whatever NASA may wish. Generally speaking, if the material is relevant to the article, there is nothing wrong with taking it from NASA per se. Material from other sources is not always suitable for wikipedia and may also not contain sufficient reliable sources for our purposes. At the very least, it often needs to be reworded. However, there is no need to remove copyvios from public domain sources which are suitable for wikipedia. It will usually be reworked over time anyway. Our only concern is when the copyvios are from copyrighted sources not released under the GFDL. Nil Einne 12:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Found this: http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/policies.html#Guidelines (see p. 4) -- And again, I think a link is the most appropriate. 213.80.114.39 05:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Without having done any research into the policy of NASA, I assume they want to be acknowledged as the source, no? And even if they don't want to be acknowledged, wouldn't it be adequate to state that the whole text is from NASA? My personal opinion is that all text from NASA should be removed and replaced with just a link. 213.80.114.39 05:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] firt Para
Anyone have more info about the first scandanavian in space. Very cryptic/intriguing with that "while still a ctizien." Thanks! Avraham 01:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- There is Bjarni Tryggvason who was born icelander but went to space as a canadian. As usual we don't know exactly where to draw the line for scandinavia, but I think we should just drop this thing here; it is safe to say christer is the first scandinavian since scandinavia geographically almost always is norway, sweden, denmark while it can only culturally reach further). ❝Sverdrup❞ 01:23, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, Christer is the first true scandinavian in space and that is also what is reckognized by media. AndersL 15:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Scandinavia consists of Denmark, Norway and Sweden. The Scandinavian countries together with Greenland, Iceland, Faroe and Finland are forming the Nordic countries. 81.227.161.87 01:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
- This is how I see it: If Iceland is considered not a scandinavian country, Christer Fuglesang is of course the first scandinavian in space. If you consider Iceland a skandinavian country, Fuglesang still would have been the first scandinavian in space, because at the time of traveling, Tryggvason had been an Canadian citizen for years, thus he travelled as an Canadian astronaut as his bio correctly states it. Tryggvason would be the first astronaut of skandinavian origin, but he wouldnt be the first skandinavian astronaut in space. That is Christer! AndersL 02:47, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
- Scandinavia consists of Denmark, Norway and Sweden. The Scandinavian countries together with Greenland, Iceland, Faroe and Finland are forming the Nordic countries. 81.227.161.87 01:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Fuglesang's Blog
Fuglesang's blog of being in space is online! Is it against the rules to post it in the links? Is it a bad idea?
--Earthsprite 19:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- If it wasn't a fake... -Obli (Talk)? 19:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- Hahahaha! But it was worth a shot. I had that possibility in the back of my mind...then I thought, "Who would bother making this?" There are far too many bored people in this world, I suspect. --Earthsprite 09:17, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Scandinavian-Americans in space
Buzz Aldrin was the first Swedish-American on the moon.
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- Come on, dont overdo it, its bad enough that some people wants Canada as a part of the Scandinavian geography, but Aldrin wasnt even born in Sweden AndersL 11:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
- So the only Americans in space would be the indigenous peoples of the Americas? -Obli (Talk)? 14:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Time in space?
According to the article about STS-116 the duration of the space flight was 12 days, 20 hours, 44 minutes, and 16 seconds. In this article it says that Christer Fuglesang's time in space was 12 days, 20 hours, and 52 minutes. His colleague William Oefelein had a flight time of 12 days, 20 hours, and 51 minutes, while another colleague, Joan Higginbotham, had a flight time of 12 days, 20 hours, and 53 minutes. What is the correct duration of this space flight?
