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Article Milestones Date Process Result January 28, 2007 Good article nominee Listed February 11, 2007 Featured article candidate Not promoted March 8, 2007 Good article review Delisted Current Status: Delisted good article

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"Chris Gardner should be recognized as the best Rubik's Cube solver because he solved it in a taxi cab ride. He is way better than Tyson Mao because he relies on patterns he memorizes in his head rather than a method with algorithims. Tyson Mao is overrated."----Where is the source? This is just stating an opinion.

Contents 1 Its bean its bean 2 The Car 3 Link under "Chris" or "Christopher?" 4 NPOV? 5 2001 Pardon 6 1 million? 7 Comment regarding GA candidacy 8 Good Article Candidacy review 9 Photo 10 Rape Victim?

[edit] Its bean its bean

I think this article needs some editing.

[edit] The Car

In the article its claimed that Christopher brought a Ferrari from M. Jordan. This is true, but the article claims the car was red. I saw the story originally on 60 minutes and he was driving a Nero black Ferrari 512TR which was claimed to be Jordans. It had a licence plate that read something like "NTBAllN" - I don't know what the thing was specifically because I can't even remember (or know) how many digits there are in plates in the US. He said it meant "Not a baller" or "Not a basketball player" because of a trip he made into a slum area where he was asked by young African American kids if he was a rapper or NBA player - because they'd never met a black man who had a Ferrari that wasn't wealthy unless they were playing ball or dealing drugs.

I do know my Ferrari's though, and the car was definitely a Black 512TR.

[edit] Link under "Chris" or "Christopher?"

I've seen his name appear both ways, though more commonly "Chris Gardner" and with "Christopher" or "Chris Jr." referring to his son. The book he authored is under "Chris Gardner."

Whatever happens is fine with me. I suggest that the main entry be "Chris Gardner" for the reasons mentioned above.

[edit] NPOV?

Was this article written by Chris Gardner's PR agents Brinabina and Wackymacs? It reads like something on the back flap on a self-help CD series. I'm not going to edit it because of it being a current topic, but I thought I should point this out (and I'm sure I'm not the only one to notice it).

Dan McCarty 20:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Eh? I'm a bog-standard Wikipedian just helping out. Take a look at my user page if you want to see that I'm not a PR agent. I am getting more and more fed up of Wikipedia because we have so many suspicious and arrogant users here. What is the exact problem you're seeing here? I am referencing the information I add and its NPOV (neutral point of view). — Wackymacs 21:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm, personally, not into Wikipolitics, okay?

Whatever you think about our writing styles is just fine with me and if you think it should be improved, then go for it. Edit away!

All I can say is that when I finish my initial contribution, I'll reference everything so that I'll be working within Wiki's established guidelines. As far as I see it, that's really the only problem with it so far.

Brinabina 22:46, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, not to cause anyone to be defensive, but had the same initial reaction as Dan McCarty that I thought the article was written by a PR agent. Part of that reaction was the use of "highly acclaimed" in reference to the movie with no link to either critics reviews or award nominations. I tried to address that with my edit, but I'm new to this, so I don't know how to add links. The other part is the style of the writing- the tone of the article is quite dramatic ("Chris Gardner's childhood was fraught with discouraging circumstances and hardships", etc), which is nice for story-tellng, but doesn't seem to convey the authoriative, facts-based "reporting" that one would expect from an encylopedia. Mkim07751 15:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Well; if anoyne is cleaning it up -- a good place to start is to remove all the positive adjectives; it is not very NPOV to start every other sentence with an opinion of what follows, and _then_ moving on to the facts; references or not.

[edit] 2001 Pardon

Says clinton pardoned marc rich in 2001 -- clinton wasn't president in 2001.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.57.119 (talk) 04:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] 1 million?

According to the infobox, Gardner is worth > $1 million, yet in the intro it states that he is a multi-millionaire ($2+ million). Someone with references on the subject should check his current net worth. Regards, Signature^brendel 22:36, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I did some publicly-accessible fact-checking on Mr. Gardner and according to the National Association of Security Dealers(NASD)'s website, Mr. Gardner has disclosed to them in 2005 that he has a $684,000 IRS lien against him, going back to 1994. My question, therefore, is whether multi-millionaire is an appropriate description of Mr. Gardner's financial status. ConcernedCitizen2006 20:03, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for that, please provide the link to the IRS lien so we can reference that article.Trade2tradewell 08:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The link to the NASD BrokerCheck System is http://pdpi.nasdr.com/PDPI/. You then have to accept their disclaimer, select that you want to check an individual broker, enter Christopher Paul Gardner as well as his brokerage firm (Gardner Rich), and then you should be able to click the "Deliver Report" button. ConcernedCitizen2006 02:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that info. Once I clicked the link, I counted six general steps that one would have to take before being able to receive the source. How can that be used as a reference? Surely, you brought up a very valid point. My question is directed at Wikipedians as to what would be the appropriate way to go about referencing this fact. Brinabina 21:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment regarding GA candidacy

I have to say that when I saw this at WP:GAC yesterday, I was amazed; I recall reading the article a few weeks ago, when it was a few (mostly) uncited paragraphs. So in that regard... wow. The editors working hard on this page have done an amazing job. My one big comment regarding the candidacy is that the fifth ref (re: Oprah) is slightly broken and appears in the text of the article. I attempted to fix it, but I couldn't figure it out. Other than that, the article is excellent. -- Kicking222 14:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Message for Brinabina: I am bringing this article to Featured status - however I see that you've recently made substantial changes (and it seems you've done a good job!) Despite this I will be making one or two changes to the article as well. Please feel free to contact me.SJCharlton 18:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC) SJCharlton

Hi, nice to meet you! I'm in the final stages of bringing the article to GA status. I should be making my final changes and submit to review by tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free to edit or contribute. Brinabina 19:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I've tracked the changes I've made to the article (bits of all sections except Business ventures which looks good as is). The changes don't affect the content but are concerned with making the article flow and creating a standard style throughout the piece. Feel free to edit or contribute to what I've done.SJCharlton 21:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the points raised above, this is a very well constructed article. Plenty of references; a very interesting read too if I may say so. As a result, I have passed this article for Good Article status. This certainly should be put forward for featured article status soon. Congratulations to those of you who have put so much hard work into this article! Wikiwoohoo 14:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I heartily disagree. While it meets the standards for a Good Article in regards to copious inline citations, it entirely fails to be presented in an appropriate tone of voice, and neutral point of view. The article reads like a puff advertisement for Gardner. For instance, the first line should be a concise 1 or 2 sentence summary of who he is. Instead, it goes right into his history without even an introduction. Hardly featured article quality. Further, it does not meet the criteria under article 1 and 4 for the Good Article Criteria. Definitely not 1, 4 is somewhat debatable, but no way is this near feature article quality at the moment. I mean read the thing, it could be ripped straight out of Gardner's bio page. This article needs to do a little more informing, and a little less praising.⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 22:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article Candidacy review

Good Article Review see Wikipedia:Good article review⇒ SWATJester ^{On Belay!} 22:52, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

I see that Wikipedia has permission to use the publicity photo. It's my understanding that this kind of permission is not sufficient. The image needs to have GFDL or similar licensing. (Be advised that GFDL licensing releases it to downstream use, alteration, etc.) There are people who patrol around looking for this kinda licensing issue and delete images that are not properly licensed. --Ling.Nut 03:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

• On second thought I'm kinda remembering that GFDL is not the way to go for images. A dedicated editor of this article should be on top of the licensing issue(s). --Ling.Nut 03:38, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rape Victim?

I noticed this article is part of the category "rape victim" ... some bad joke, or did I miss it in the article? A quick ctrl+f for "rape" doesn't bring up anything either. 69.236.117.84 18:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)