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...Berman is generally known to be a nice and fun-loving person. That may be true, but does a line like that really belong here? Seems a bit trite, even though I'm a big Berman fan. And the comments about his nickname schtick becoming stale seems overly opinionated (even though I tend to agree). Realkyhick 17:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] NFC Norris Division
I removed the phrase that it is "known for it's mediocrity." There is no reference there quoting anybody, and is obviously a very subjective comment and does not belong. Luke119 23:59, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
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I think anyone familiar with the "classic" Norris Division lineup would agree that it is noted for its mediocrity. For over a decade (82-93) the Norris Division was comprised of the Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings, Minnesota North Stars, St. Louis Blues, and Toronto Maple Leafs. Only Minnesota (1991) and Chicago (1992) made the Stanley Cup finals, both losing. Chicago were swept by the Lemieux-era Penguins and Minnesota made it there despite a losing record during the regular season. From 1986-87 to 1989-90, a total of 3 Norris Division teams (of a possible 20) finished the regular season with a winning percentage better than .500. 63.250.103.92 19:58, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Seabags"
Can anyone explain the moniker Seattle Seabags for the Seahawks that was added to the catch phrases list today? What does it refer to? I've never heard Berman use it, though a google search does indicate that it's fairly widely used. The only reports that I could find of Berman saying it were postings on two discussion boards. -Meegs 03:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Who's the NFL player?
Berman quotes a doo-wop song--my name is Speedo but they call me Mr. Earl? They just showed that on "NFL Primetime" last night (12/24/05), but I cannot think of the player's name to include him on the list.
[edit] Breaking out subarticles
This page doesn't seem big enough to require breaking out these lists as subarticles at the moment. Christopher Parham (talk) 05:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- The lists are almost the entire article. The catchphrases one seems alright but I think that the list of nicknames is pretty excessive. Fightindaman 05:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, I don't disagree that it's a bit much, but segregating it into a separate article doesn't really address that problem. Christopher Parham (talk) 05:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Woooooop!!!!
Where's the dap for NFL nicknames such as:
Deuce plenty of use McAllister My favorite Marshall (faulk) My favorite Martin Warrick Well Dunn
Too drunk to continue with list but, I got nothging - here's where the disscussion ends.. ba;dkfj;dg;adhg;adhg;a
Sorry for messing up the awesome wickipedia site with poor discussion, but at least I didn't edit some prestigious articles...
really I didn't.
- Chris Berman sucks ass and he has ruined ESPN for me. Sorry but I felt that needed to be stated somewhere on this discussion page. Aplomado - UTC 04:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "You're with me, leather."
Personally, I love the story behind "You're with me, leather." and I think it's very believable given what I've read and heard about Boomer. But it's not verified by credible independent sources (as in, not Deadspin.com tipsters) and it's certainly not a catch phrase.
The anecdote is probably more appropriate for inclusion in Deadspin. Ytny 02:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
The story is a rumor, and that is how it was put in the article. No one said that Berman actually used the phrase. The link put in the article verified that it was a rumor. However, I think the fact that it has been used by 3 significant television personalities makes it an important phrase. Whether it is true or not, it is now tied to Chris Berman which qualifies it for inclusion in the article. Thanks, 68.117.223.235 15:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- "No one said that Berman actually used the phrase."
- Yet it is in the section "Catchphrases" so the implication is that it is a catchphrase.
- Whether or notit qualifies inclusion in the article, YWML needs to be in a different section, and bears an explanation as to why an internet rumor warrants inclusion in an encyclopedia entry. Ytny 16:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
It has been used by 3 significant television personalities. Regardless of whether or not he said it, it is now attributed to him because of its spread through mass media. Because it relates to Chris Berman in this way, it deserves inclusion in this article. As far as rumors go, this rumor is fairly credible (as you said above). And since the article is not trying to pass the story off as absolute truth, readers will treat the rumor as they see fit. I would also remind you that unless "leather" confirms the story, or Chris Berman does, both of which are unlikely, it will remain an "internet rumor." Thus no matter how many people say it on television, you would still refuse to include it in this article. Therefore, it could become a catch phrase-by the wikipedia definition- and you would still not be willing to put it under Chris Berman's catchprases? Sensation002 17:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
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- "Thus no matter how many people say it on television, you would still refuse to include it in this article."
- No, you're misunderstanding the issue. For one thing, I never said that it was credible. I said it was believable. Close, but different.
- Second, while you could reaasonably argue that YWML is a catchprase, it's not a Chris Berman catchphrase, which is to say, phrases he repeats on-air. And all the other catchphrases in that section are the ones used on-air at various times, and YWML doesn't fit with the rest of the section.
- Third, single mentions on a sports radio show, a cable news network show and a SportsCenter broadcast isn't exactly "spreading" through the mass media. As popular as the phrase might be among sports blog readers, it's still an internet meme. It's more an inside joke than a cultural phenomenon, and in that sense, it doesn't really help explain who Chris Berman is to an encyclopedia reader.
- Whether the story itself was ever verifiable wasn't really an issue for me. The issue is that there are a lot of rumors out there about media personalities, so I just wanted a justification for why this particular rumor, especially of a single incident without context, needed to be included in a Wikipedia article. That you have three minor or semi-major media personalities telling an inside joke seems like a weak reasoning. Ytny 18:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Should also note that none of the three has actually attributed the rumor to Berman, so the phrase has yet to make its way into the mainstream. If you do a google search for the phrase, you'd have trouble finding any mention outside of Gawker Media blogs or sports blogs/message boards. And almost all of them refer to Deadspin - which, in my opinion, makes YWML says more about Deadspin than Chris Berman. Ytny 18:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to keep adding on, but I'm going to remove the parts about the poetry and the t-shirt. The poetry is a common blog meme about the topic of the day and doesn't make YWML any more significant. Gawker Media makes a lot of inside joke t-shirts, which doesn't make any of the t-shirt subjects Wiki-worthy. It's pretty trivial and mentioning it amounts to advertisement for the site and the merchandise. Ytny 19:39, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's interesting to note that I did not hear of "You're with me leather" until over two months after it was put on Deadspin. This was after the shirt was on MTV. I guess that's what happens when you watch too much ESPN.:) I know that ESPN, as with all other media, protect their own as a matter of habit.--Desmond Hobson 18:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
---I just added the reference to GQ. It's in the current issue (January 2007) in a sidebar on a story on hairpieces.128.255.106.151 19:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV issues
The Biography section seems biased and needs some serious rewording. Examples (emphasis mine):
- He was on hand to broadcast Cal Ripken, Jr.'s record breaking 2131st consecutive game, in that game Cal hit a home run that was best described by this call "Deep to left, oh my goodness, he did it again!".:
While it might have been significant that he called Ripken's record breaking game, the home run call seems irrelevant and there's nothing to support the claim that the call was the "best" description of the home run.
- Berman is well-known for his colorful and enthusiastic nicknaming of players who show up on the highlights.:
Saying he's noted for the nicknames should be enough and doesn't get into the degree of his fame, and "colorful and enthusiastic" to one person can just as easily be "over-the-top and grating" to another, and isn't necessary in describing his style. Noting the volume and frequency of nicknames, and that they are often elaborate should suffice.
- The section beginning with Despite their popularity...':
Comes off defensive against/dismissive of criticism against Berman's style. It's worth noting that he is popular with more casual sports fans and older viewers, while younger fans often find the nicknaming annoying and the pop culture references outdated (I'll try to dig up citations).
- Berman and his family are long time residents of Cheshire, Connecticut and have been active in local charitable activities.
I don't doubt that the Bermans are active in the local community, but being involved in the community is common for media personalities and celebrities and should go without saying unless their involvement is significantly more than others'. A simple, "Berman and his family reside in Cheshire, Connecticut" should be enough.
Also, I think it would help to divide the section into what is purely biographical information and another section about his announcing style. Right now, it's a little bloated and most of the section is not biographical information. Ytny 21:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Big Papi
- I don't know the origin of the nickname, but one blogger suggests that Jerry Remy was the first to call him that. [1].--Sensation002 01:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "That's why they play the...."
I always thought that he said "That's why they play the 'game'," not "That's why they play the 'games'".Habsfan
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no, it's games plural
[edit] The Voice
Nothing on Chris' page about "the voice". There are few people on TV that have a voice as recognisable as Chris. Something needs to be written about it!
[edit] Cris Carter
""All he does is catch touchdowns"- on touchdown plays by Cris Carter, quoting former coach Buddy Ryan's criticism of Carter"
This wasn't a criticism by Ryan- it was a response to a reporter who was questioning Carter's supposed off-the-field problems with drugs. Ryan responded, more or less no comment on the drug allegations by saying, "all he does is catch touchdowns." He did this seemingly to protect Carter, thus allowing him a better chance continue his career elsewhere, despite having worn out his welcome in Philadelphia
[edit] Bermanisms
i remember when bermanisms was it's own article? What happened, and since it has merged, it has a lot of nicknames missing. If there is a way to access the "Bermanisms" article, and put it into Chris Berman's article, that would be great. Fortyniners9999 06:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
