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Contents 1 Lords of Baux 2 UCIR 3 Copyrights 4 "Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland" 5 Northumberland 6 Zoo Interlocking 7 Geology of Tussey Mountain 8 Sheriff - Sir John Donne 9 Re: Sneaky vandalism 10 Wikipedia Club of New York 11 Erie-Lackawanna RR 12 FYI 13 Paulins Kill now a Featured Article 14 Lady Stephen 15 Andrew Hunter Arbuthnot Murray 16 By-election splits 17 S-box William_Lowther,_1st_Earl_of_Lonsdale 18 Newyorkbrad's RfA 19 Succession boxes 20 Adam Bruce 21 Baron Butler 22 Article locations 23 good eye =) 24 Thanks 25 An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Bellefonte Central Railroad, was selected for DYK! 26 IRC 27 Thanks 28 Prince George, Duke of Kent 29 High_Sheriff_of_Dorset 30 BARNSTAR AWARDED TO CHOESS 31 English 32 Nansemond Basses 33 Sops and frumenty for all!

[edit] Lords of Baux

Well done! That makes much more sense. In answer to your question, I have no useful source to recommend to you, unfortunately. I've been looking into 12th century Provence rather than 13th/14th Italy. If I see something I'll let you know. Andrew Dalby 13:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UCIR

Thanks Choess, I am still not entirely sure what to do about the Union County Industrial Railroad article, but appreciate your sorting things out on the talk page. I had thought about moving the comment in the article to the talk page and then putting a section on track ownership in Union County much higher in the article - describe the track in the county first and then the current operation. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the UCIR has but one engine. The UCIR web page has more information on what is actually in operation than it did when I wrote the article (all the Robey RR pages are more informative now). On an almost unrelated side note, the PRR 1920s passenger cars are used on the Lycoming Valley, North Shore, and Shamokin Valley RR, so I will put it on the last two pages. Thanks again, Ruhrfisch 21:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

• I tried cleaning up the article (and got logged out, but it was me). I put the History section and an explanation on the Talk page. I tried to keep the same organization (I number the lines in the county and referred to them by the same number) throughout. I am doubtful as to the clarity or succes of my efforts, edit away as you are able and thanks again. Ruhrfisch 05:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your copyedits on Paulins Kill. I added a map to UCIR and am in the slow process of adding in line citations to it (and then the 7 other central PA shortline articles). There is a similar map in the Lycoming Valley Railroad article - suggestions / comments on the maps are welcome. Take care, Ruhrfisch 18:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
    • I am thankful for friends like you - I will also not be around here as much between now and New Year, so Merry Christmas and Happy New Year now, Ruhrfisch 18:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Copyrights

Wow - that would be nice, but as with you I have doubts about getting easily a copy to scan. Another book that might be useful to scan and OCR is the 1975 Conrail Final System Plan. --NE2 06:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland"

No, I haven't, and I'm extremely uneasy about us having an article saying one exists without any sources whatsoever. It would be a unique position, as far as I'm aware — no other Great Officers have the power to create hereditary offices, and the Steward of Ireland's hardly the most eminent of Great Officers — and so my instinct would say it's dodgy. Proteus (Talk) 11:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I've tagged them as disputed while we all have a think Alci12 13:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

What source have you added? In 1450 peers were still giving out knighthoods it's no proof on continued existence. As to the HoL case of V's recognition it doesn't give any details that can be easily checked - for instance which case it doesn't even give the name?. Good faith isn't a source. WP:CITE To ensure that the content of articles is credible and can be checked by any reader or editor. Alci12 13:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

In his last post on his talk Seneschally seem to have moved his position somewhat. I have been told by Francis O’Donnell, that the Vice Great Seneschal nomenclature does not exist as an explicitly separate title of office, but reflects a responsibility inherent in the nominal Lord Stewardship for Tyrconnell Alci12 12:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Northumberland

Hm, well that's certainly tricky. I'm reluctant without a good hunt around to give a certain answer. A quick google tells me nothing as it suggests everything from an Earldom for life, a new creation, the Dukedom but not the Earldom was attainted.

It seems illiogical to me that an accelerated title forfeited would not render the writ of a~ null. If the title was created with a special remainder the attainder would as a matter of law (De Donis Conditionalibus 1285) have no consequence on the person so mentioned. Alci12 13:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Zoo Interlocking

Do you happen to have a diagram of Zoo with two tracks through the "New York-Pittsburgh Subway" duckunder? The 1971 one at [1] has the eastbound track removed, and it's obvious that the connection from the New York end of it to the West Philly Elevated Branch was redrawn. Thank you for any help in understanding the original configuration. --NE2 22:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually what I'm wanting to do is a schematic of the main lines and the way their tracks went through interesting junctions, separating into freight and passenger. Basically here I need the old configuration at the north end of the West Philly Elevated Branch and on the Harrisburg main out to Overbrook, where it's still 4 tracks on the later diagrams. --NE2 20:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope I'm able to carry through on my end and make the map. --NE2 20:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Geology of Tussey Mountain

Is the "Clinton Shale" on the old Geological Survey maps the same as the present Juniata Shale? I wanted to add something about the iron ore deposits on Tussey Mountain, once of some economic importance.

I'm not sure, but I believe the erosion resistant layers in the ridges have no fossils or valuable minerals.Dhaluza 01:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Don't mean to butt in, but the Geology section of Bedford County, Pennsylvania has some info on Tussey Mountain and a note from the anon editor who put the section in: "Note to editors: email comments to Jim Stuby, stuboitcs@hotmail.com". Sounds like this guy might know the answer to the question. Hope this helps, Ruhrfisch 03:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sheriff - Sir John Donne

Please be careful about linking Sheriffs to lists of High Sheriffs - they are not the same thing at all, & anyway what would be the point in linking to (very incomplete) lists, rather than an article that ought to explain what the office actually was (although at the moment it doesn't attempt this) Johnbod 02:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Sneaky vandalism

Blocked. ;) I'll block any others you let me know about, as well, though I should warn you that I'll be getting offline inside a few minutes, here. Luna Santin 03:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Club of New York

Come see: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Club of New York. —ExplorerCDT 14:42, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Erie-Lackawanna RR

I removed the ref to the E-L RR on Gouldsboro State Park and Tobyhanna State Park. If you have better or more specific info about Gould and his RR's as they relate to the state parks in question please add it to them. Thanks Dincher 18:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FYI

"Comital" is an English adjective meaning "pertaining to a count", and not necessarily a typo for "committal". Choess 17:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. I will take heed to this in the future. Have you mentioned that on the AWB project page too? (WP:AWB/T) Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 03:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paulins Kill now a Featured Article

As of a few moments ago, Paulins Kill was promoted to Featured Article status. I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for improving the article over these past few months and that I appreciate your help in bringing this article to notice as a Featured Article. Once again, thank you, and keep up the good work. —ExplorerCDT 22:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lady Stephen

We put wives of knights known by their titles at "Forename, Lady Surname" (like Emma, Lady Hamilton and Augusta, Lady Gregory), so applying the same principle to wives of baronets and putting her at Barbara, Lady Stephen would seem to be most the appropriate thing to do. Proteus (Talk) 22:44, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Andrew Hunter Arbuthnot Murray

Why Rt Hon? --- Kittybrewster 12:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Knight of St John 1954. Chancellor of the Priory of Scotland and Preceptor of Torpichen whatever that means. I bet 16th Viscount of Arbuthnott had something to do with the Priory of Scotland too. - Kittybrewster 22:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] By-election splits

Hi - the relevant discussion is mostly at Talk:List of United Kingdom by-elections#Time for a split? Beyond this, I further split the 18-45 period at 31, which is pretty much half way, and then decided on further splits roughly every fifteen years - so 1900 and 1885, giving preference to years with redistributions because this is a common way to divide Parliamentary data. I'd probably suggest using 1868, then either 1852 or 57 and 42; 1832 and probably 1818 as the remaining division dates - but if you're planning to put in the work, then I doubt that there'll be any complaints for any reasonable scheme. Warofdreams talk 00:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] S-box William_Lowther,_1st_Earl_of_Lonsdale

Is there a reason why you've added an s-box using "New Title" not the usual "New Creation" (vide the earldom) Alci12 18:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I don't pretend to know that much about the sboxes I just use those I need but obviously I think it ideal they should say the same thing Alci12 10:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 18:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Succession boxes

What do you mean by excessive? Rodolph 21:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC) (comment moved from user page)

[edit] Adam Bruce

Thanks for the information you added to the Adam Bruce article. How sadly rare it is that I discover that an article on my watchlist has received a major edit that is relevant, has proper grammar, is properly referenced, or doesn't make me wince for some reason. I had hoped to include some more personal information about Bruce but didn't find any; perhaps I gave up too easily.

Your edit was really a joy to see, especially as its so very interesting and colorful that he married the daughter of the current Prince di Belmonte rather than a Glaswegian meter maid or whatever. You even managed to include the birth of Bruce's eldest son that occurred this very month. Wikipedia (or rather it's less couth editors) have been unkind to me of late. Your edit cheers me up.

In an unrelated matter, I too am concerned about the completely unreferenced Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland article mentioned above. It has a whiff about it of the ersatz Mac Carthy Mór and the various individuals and companies who sell fake noble titles. One of the latter was offering a title very similar to this a few years ago but I can't recall precisely if was Vice Seneschal or Deputy Steward or what. Anyway, the office it was based on was never a hereditary title nor was it even a lifetime office. It was the equivilent to a Governor General and as one would retire another would take his place.

The creator of the Vice Great Seneschal of Ireland article is a user named Seneschally (also creator of the Patrick Denis O'Donnell article). This user has made few other contributions to Wikipedia and I would not be surprised to learn that this person is the current claimant of said alleged title.--House of Scandal 11:43, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

• You asked about the possibility of checking the reference "Registry of Deeds, Dublin, Book 12, referring to Grant of 17 July 1442," in this matter. While I suppose it's possible this source might say that the Great Seneschal of Ireland will have a Vice Great Seneschal and this will too be hereditary, such a declaration made 564 years ago doesn't move me one iota to believe this O'Donnell is the inheritor. Such a person would have millions of descendants by now (literally). And as I pointed out, even his dad's obit failed to mention these alleged hereditary honors. You are prudent to give every benefit of the doubt, and likewise are prudent if you have noted that I can’t actually prove these are falsehoods. So, in short, I can’t check on the Grant of 17 July 1442 but there’s nothing I could read in a 15th century document that would ease my doubts about O’Donnell’s claim. - House of Scandal 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Baron Butler

Hi Choess. Thanks for correcting my edit to Baron Butler. I was going from Cracroft's who went on to list the descendants of the 2nd Duke of Ormonde as de jure holders. Then I looked through Burke's and they list the 7th Earl Cowper as the 3rd Baron which is of course, as you pointed out, correct because of the attainder. Do you think the article should at least list the people (who I added) who were at least in right of the barony if not for the attainder? Craigy (talk) 13:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I can see no point in listing those who would but for the attainder would have held the title only those that presently have a claim which seems to include the 8th Viscount Gage not mentioned in the article. Alci12 17:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article locations

I've noticed, looking at the fictional examples on WP:PEER, that it's even contradictory there (going by what it currently says, the first Earldom of Anyplace should have its own article), which was slightly silly of me. The problem, I think, is that it would be odd (and quite misleading) to look up a 14th century Baron Burghersh and be redirected to Earl of Westmorland simply because a later, completely unrelated, creation is now held by Lord Westmorland, but it's not nearly as odd to find an earlier Earl of Bedford in Duke of Bedford, as the non-rank parts of the titles are the same. Whether this means we should use Duke of Bedford as an example of how to do it I'm not really sure. I'm going to draw up some alternative formats and see which works best. Proteus (Talk) 18:54, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

How about this and this for a way of formatting separate pages whilst still maintaining the connection between the two? Proteus (Talk) 19:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] good eye =)

I forgot to check on dwarfism lately. Thanks for picking up on those probable socks. — coelacan talk — 01:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the Wateree story! My favorite boat name is USS Wahoo (there is a memorial to it in Lycoming County). I had a question I keep meaning to ask you. I just ran User:AndyZ's Peer Review java script on the Transportation in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania article (revert if needed). It converts symbols to names or abbreviations of units and adds   as needed. Anyway, it changed the railroad gauges over to spelled out feet and inches (it converted 4'0" gauge to 4 ft 0 ingauge, so I went in and added a space between in and gauge to get 4 ft 0 in gauge). I will tell AndyZ about the space issue, but wondered what is the standard way of showing gauges (if standard is just 4'0" gauge, then the script should recognize that and leave it alone). I had tried this before, saw the problem and didn't save the edit and meant to ask, so I was bold now and made the edits with the script. I hope this is clear - please ask if it is not.

By the way, I was glad to see someone had made stubs for all the previously redlinked LanCo Highways - they were weighing on my mental to do list. I still plan to make maps and break out the Native American paths someday. Take care, Ruhrfisch 05:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

• Congrats on the DYK! I seconded your barnstar to Dincher - hope that was OK. Thanks too for the gauge info - there is an article on Standard gauge and it uses 1435 mm (4 ft 8½ in). I thought I saw a template for it somewhere too, but can't find it now.

  I also appreciate your comment to my new friend from Newton Falls. I will try to be more specific in my citation of WP:EL with him tomorrow. As for earthquakes, my father went to Chile and Peru to do aid work after the 1960 earthquake there and had some amazing photos and stories - things that were hard to believe even with the pictures. If you want to take a look at the List of PA State Parks it is at User:Ruhrfisch/Frog - trying to decide between a gallery or table of pictures and text above all or in the captions. Take care, Ruhrfisch 05:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An article which you started, or significantly expanded, Bellefonte Central Railroad, was selected for DYK!

On January 31, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bellefonte Central Railroad, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid64 22:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IRC

I replied to your comments on the IRC debate. I hadn't heard of the Sorties paradox called by that name before, so thanks for that. Reading the article it's interesting to note that Sorites_paradox#Group_consensus suggests "The usefulness of this approach is that it tightly defines the meaning of the terms" - so in our context, wikipedian consensus or Arbcom acting in agency will establish what is and what is not 'offensive off-wiki communication'. There's also a distinction, in any event, between officially sanctioned IRC channels and email and blogs which need to be considered relating to matters of scale and effect. If you're just bitching to your mate about something on an email and nothing is done about it, this shouldn't be a problem, but spamming IRC to get someone blocked for non-policy reasons arguably would be. It worth some thought and talk I think. --Mcginnly | Natter 13:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Hi, just like to say good work on all your edits/tidy/categorising of the First Sea Lords. The order is now much tidier on the sea lord page, as is many of the articles for each Lord. Thanks for your hard work! LordHarris 13:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prince George, Duke of Kent

I agree with you that this article is highly unbalanced - far too much space is given over to his supposed or rumoured lovers, and almost all the sourcing is from one book, with a title that suggests it is POV. I'd be happy to help by looking up further sourced information, to create a little more balance for the article. (This is a reply to your comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject British Royalty; I have just joined the project today.) Walton monarchist89 20:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for offering to help me with Peter Atte Wood. I would like to change his name to the more commonly used Peter Atte Wode, but can't figure out how to change the page name from Atte Wood to Atte Wode. I hope this message finds you.

Northland45th 18:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] High_Sheriff_of_Dorset

I've noticed a fair few of these have been tagged for lacking info as to what the HS is. There is a link to HS but you have to go right to the bottom for the infobox to find it. I started to put a link at the top but perhaps before I do too many we ought to makeup our mind as to wether this is the best way. I've copied the same to Phoe who has also edited the same entries. Alci12 18:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] BARNSTAR AWARDED TO CHOESS

I hereby award the anti-vandalism barnstar to Choess for his relentless defense of the article Knight from vandalism:

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		Choess is hereby granted this barnstar for vigilant defense of the article Knight Larry Dunn 14:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

If any one person has assured that the article remains in sound condition, it is Choess. Larry Dunn 14:25, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English

Ciao! I see you're occupying mostly of English-themed entries with a lot of small edits. Can I ask you to add a reference about which nation are we speaking of at the beginning of the articles you tackle with, if it's missing? It is not clear for an Italian or Burkina Faso reader that, for example, Sandhurst must be in England, Scotland or whatever... Bye and good work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Attilios (talk • contribs) 14:32, 18 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Nansemond Basses

So far as I have been able to determine, there are essentially three groups of Basses in the US. Those in the Southeastern US are descended from Nathaniel Basse, who's son John Basse married the Nansemond girl known as Kesiah. The New England Basses are descended from Deacon Samuel Bass. There is substantial circumstantial evidence that said Samuel was brother to Nathaniel.

The others with a Bass surname were Eastern Europeans who immigrated to the US and who's various surnames were Anglicized to "Bass".

Back to your original question about me being related to the Nansemond Basses. I am, but the relationship is not recognized by the tribe.

My line is as follows:

Nathaniel Basse

  John Basse (who married Kesiah)
      William Basse
         John Bass
            Edward Bass
               Arthur Bass
                  Wright Bass
                     Elisha Bass, Sr.
                        Elisha Bass, Jr.
                           Anderson Bass
                              J. Albert Bass, Sr.
                                  J.Albert Bass, Jr. (me)

I am also a railroad nut.

Al Bass

[edit] Sops and frumenty for all!

At long last, the long-overdue nomination of medieval cuisine as an FAC is under way. You are invited to grab your fill of potage, quince pie, a subtlety worthy of a pope, and all the beer you can drink! Oh, and don't forget to make a few comments while you're digging in...

Peter ^Isotalo 21:22, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Too bad you missed the banquet! However, your very helpful and motivating comments during the last GA review was so inspiring that I would be delighted if you could do the same for regional variations in medieval cuisine. I was thinking about listing it as a GAC (or perhaps even an FAC), but I figured that I would try to solicit your comments first.

Peter ^Isotalo 23:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)