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I have deleted the standard request for photos - there were none before I added some. Patche99z 17:20, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Education 2 Carluccio 3 John Leslie 4 Dukes Meadows 5 Pubs 6 Voysey House - The Sanderson Factory 7 Celebs 8 Nearest places

[edit] Education

Put this in as for a smallish area Chiswick has many schools. As a student of two I know abit about them. Needs spell checking (oh the irony). (RuSTy1989 19:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC))

Lots of change not much disscussion? RuSTy1989

I have started a page for Chiswick Community School and would apreciate some help filling in something about the place. I am a current student but my knowledge is limited. RuSTy1989 21:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Deleted Lines about Arts Ed website. Sounded abit to much like a advert that information RuSTy1989

[edit] Carluccio

Added this recently thought it was interesting peice of knowledge. RuSTy1989 28th May 2006

[edit] John Leslie

The following edit: Revision as of 02:00, 29 May 2006 by 172.212.105.114 inserted the words "devoid of virtues" after John Leslie's name. This has stood for many subsequent revisions. It clearly does not meet NPOV, so I am removing it. -- John w4 07:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• • A simple search into google provides the answer to that little mystery...(RuSTy1989 20:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Dukes Meadows

(Apologies: I neglected to annotate my edit of 30 September 2006: explanation follows) The Dukes Meadows section was mis-placed in the introductory section, and was incomplete. I have added a little more background to the area, corrected the name (from 'Dukes Meadow') and moved it to the History section, where it now fits better (IMHO).

[edit] Pubs

I have removed the list of pubs and moved a couple of worthwhile bits of information from that list to the Architecture section. The rationale for this is that nearly all English towns have a number of pubs, so their presence is non-notable, and merely listing them adds nothing to understanding of Chiswick. If there is something notable about them - for example, if Chiswick has a far-above-average concentration of pubs - of course we can mention that, but we need to back it up with sources. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_an_indiscriminate_collection_of_information.) Barnabypage 17:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with the inclusion of Pubs into the page. It is relevant information about the area and indeed some have particular merit, such as the Tabard (William Morris) and in any event give a clearer idea as to the socio-economic make up of the area, and so, for me, I feel they should be included. There is also much other information to be included/updated - the Voysey designed Sanderson factory for instance which I will get around to.

What does just listing the names of pubs tell anyone about the socioeconomic makeup of the area? It's only valuable if there can be some meaningful (and supportable) discussion of the significance of pubs to Chiswick. Look forward to the Voysey update BTW, I didn't realise he'd done a factory in the area. Barnabypage 15:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Is the information factual or a POV? Answer is factual. Does it detract from the general information on the area or add? Answer add. I can see no reason for not including, unless you can persuade otherwise.Ceedoubleu

But by the same reasoning we could include a list of every petrol station in Chiswick, every off-licence, every letterbox...! While factual correctness and absence of POV are certainly necessary conditions for inclusion of material, they're surely not the sole criteria. See WP:NOT#DIRECTORY and WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE. Barnabypage 17:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I cannot agree. Pubs form a part of the social fabric of an area. They are entirely worthy of inclusion, far more so tha say an incomplete list of "celebrity residents" I believe the information should be restored and built onCeedoubleu

We are in agreement on the importance of pubs - it's how they're treated that is an issue. A prose section (rather than just a list) explaining any significance the pubs have - historic significance, economic importance today, etc. - would be great. (Agree with you about the celeb residents, BTW - maybe that should also be trimmed down to just a few examples?) Barnabypage 17:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Its not worth contributing as one contributor treats this page as his personal property.

I don't see anyone doing that, and it's always worth contributing. Barnabypage 02:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Voysey House - The Sanderson Factory

I have provided brief details on the Sanderson House and will provide some photographs as soon as possible, but if anybody has images available, please post Ceedoubleu

Grammar edits are not particularly helpful, but if anybody has some facts to add they are welcome. Actually, on reflection, I am surprised that somebody would consider the phrase "architectural merit" a POV applied against a Grade 2* building. Perhaps an explanation would be useful.

The deleted phrase was not just "architectural merit", but "An often overlooked building with great architectural merit". Both the "often overlooked" and the "great", while unsourced, smack of POV. I agree that "architectural merit" on its own is not contentious given the building's listing, but that speaks for itself - and after all, we wouldn't be including it in this section if it wasn't of architectural merit or interest. Barnabypage 14:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

You were not aware of the building. The fact is, given its location, is that is is "often overlooked". Ceedoubleu

What is it about its location that makes it often overlooked? Genuine question - if we can say "Less well-known because it is concealed behind a multistorey carpark" (or whatever), while it might technically fall foul of NOR, I think that would be fine. It's just that "often overlooked" without an explanation smacks a bit of special pleading, of trying to present something that is deservedly ignored as worthy of note. Don't get me wrong - I don't think that's what you're doing - I'm just concerned about the way it may appear to readers. Barnabypage 01:19, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

By the way, there's a quite nice photo here - http://www.london-footprints.co.uk/Photos/voysey.jpg. I don't know if you were planning to take one, but if not, shall I write to them and ask if we can use it? Barnabypage 19:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Its often overlooked because it is surrounded by larger non descript buildingsCeedoubleu

Thanks - I've made an edit which I hope removes the potential ambiguity of "overlooked". Barnabypage 13:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celebs

As mentioned earlier (under Pubs), the celebrities list may be getting out of hand and may not illuminate any point about Chiswick in particular - you could probably assemble a similar list for any well-off London district. I suggest we reduce it to a small handful of those who are truly household names. Any objections? Barnabypage 13:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the list is too long. But then I don't pay much attention to current celebs, so I don't recognise all the names. One missed is mentioned by Gillian Clegg in "Chiswick Past", page 38: "Field Marshall Montgomery lived in Grove Park as a child; married in St Nicholas church, and was made a Freeman of the borough of Brentford and Chiswick in 1945." Hogarth and Montgomery seem to be the most notable former residents, but that is a personal point of view. And that raises the question of what criteria to use in compiling a list like this. To my mind, it necessarily has some personal judgement in it. Patche99z 15:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nearest places

This list has been gradually including more remote places, while deleting closer ones. Acton and Brentford both disappeared, while Kensington, Notting Hill (why not Shepherd's Bush, which is closer and in the same direction?) and now Chelsea were added. I think we need some factual criterion for inclusion, and in amending the list, I have assumed adjoining Chiswick to be it. What do other people think? Patche99z 15:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It seems to have been corrected, but Shepherds Bush is still missingCeedoubleu 12:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)