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Contents 1 Cantonese / Other Dialects 2 Traditional and Simplified Chinese 3 wikicn 4 Norwegian 5 The problems that I had with the chinese site 6 I deleted this part by user Ran 7 server location(s)?

[edit] Cantonese / Other Dialects

This article should probably mention the existence of separate Wikipedias for other Chinese dialects, which are also written in Chinese characters, ex. Cantonese. [1] How large are the written differences? AlexLibman 18:34, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Traditional and Simplified Chinese

Can someone add some information to this article about how the Chinese Wikipedia handles Simplified/Traditional characters? —Lowellian (talk)[[]] 02:25, Nov 24, 2004 (UTC)

Lots of thanks to User:Captmjc for adding information about this! —Lowellian (talk) 16:55, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] wikicn

I read recently on the mailing list about an impersonating site wikicn.com. Relevant? -- user:zanimum

[edit] Norwegian

How come the Norwegian Wikipedias can't do what the Chinese Wikipedia does with its different characters. Would it be too hard to convert the two spellings? BirdValiant 20:40, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I think it's because Nynorsk and Bokmål differ in spelling, vocabulary, and grammar, while Traditional and Simplified Chinese can be converted using mostly a one-to-one character correspondence with a small set of many-to-many correspondences and a small set of differences in specialized vocabulary. -- ran (talk) 13:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The problems that I had with the chinese site

more at: Wikipedia:Village pump

Chinese-language Wikipedia presents different view of history "But on sensitive questions of China's modern history or on hot-button issues, the Chinese version diverges so dramatically from its English counterpart that it sometimes reads as if it were approved by the censors themselves."

There are many users who felt exactly the same way. And most of the time, their comments, votes got deleted. For example, I wrote some comments, the moderators not only deleted them, they also made them disappeared as if nothing was ever deleted!

1. I wrote a subtitle "house arrest until death" for Zhao ziyang in the chinese version, it was immediately deleted. however, the same thing that I wrote in the English page is still kept even today.

2. I added the Chinese Tibetan history after 1949. It was also immediatly deleted, and I was banned. And the links that I added which are from the current exile dalai lama, those links were also deleted. Isn't that ridiculous, how can they add my contribution without listing the references?! And strangely enough, somehow what I wrote now appeared all those Tibetan articles on the Chinese page so the moderators can say that they are not pro communists, even though the author - me is still banned because of what i wrote!

3. I added human rights and falun gong in the "people's republic of china" article, it was also immediately deleted, then it was put under protection. it has been over a month now. Even today, there is not single word about human rights or falun gong in that article.

4. the article about "two Chinas" which has been deleted twice in the month of November. Then one of the moderator claimed that it has never been deleted.

5. The chinese-russian border treaty, the entire article was also deleted not so long ago. now one of the moderator "ran" claimed that it was deleted due to "copyright" violation which is a total lie. it has several early versions, which has nothing to do with any sort of copyright violation at all. After my complain which was deleted, somehow now the same article reappeared with the same content.

6. the tiananmen square protest article, I added similar contents in both the Chinese and English version. The chinese moderator Louer immediatly deleted my contribution, and put that article under protection. AT the same time, whatever I wrote on the same subject in the English article did not got deleted at all.

I have tried to added my comments about those things on the Chiense version of village pump, however, they deleted everything that I wrote, and called those as "vandalism." One time, another user who wrote a comment supporting me, it was also immediately deleted by those moderators. So clearly, people can not openly, freely discuss topics they want to. Another user reverted those comments that I wrote, it was also changed back instantly by one of the moderators.

There are 30 moderators from mainland China, 6 of them are from the capital city - beijing. At the same time, the government is still blocking the entire 13 billion Chinese' asscess to this web site. taiwan and hongkong should have more users than the users from mainland China, however, they only have 17 and 13 moderators. It is a well known fact that there are plenty Chinese spies who are living in taiwan right now. I am writing this, so hopefully the wikipedia people can look into this matter seriously.SummerThunder 01:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

This issue is already being discussed here [2]. -- ran (talk) 01:53, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I deleted this part by user Ran

He wrote his personal comment as :"2) There is no such thing called "self-censorship" at Chinese Wikipedia; indeed any intention for such practice at Chinese Wikipedia will be denounced by most Chinese Wikipedians."

1. it is a personal comment which is not allowed on here.
2. it is not true. for one thing, I was a "Chinese wikipedian", I certainly did not agree with their censorship. they have censored many of my articles. and I have publically denounced it many times. they deleted my articles, deleted my comments, deleted my votes, then banned me. So it is NOT the truth at all.
3. I was not alone. many people felt the same way. user Uponsnow has already commented the same thing in the village pump misc area.
4. who gave you the rights to represent "most Chinese Wikipedia" people?

Therefore, it is deleted swiftly. --SummerThunder 05:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh... what? It's not my personal comment. It's a quotation, which is sourced. -- ran (talk) 05:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and for the fifth time.... you were banned for spamming the Chinese Wikipedia, making personal attacks, and refusing to engage in civil discussion. Uponsnow was banned for making racist and sexually lurid personal attacks. The Chinese Wikipedia has neutral articles on many topics that are taboo in Mainland China, including Taiwanese independence, Falun Gong, etc., written by contributors from Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and elsewhere. That's why we're banned in Mainland China. And this has already been explained to death in Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). -- ran (talk) 05:34, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

So what's the deal? I see that you continue to push your POV into this article, but are you going to discuss my concerns over your deletion of my edits? -- ran (talk) 06:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

why don't you just say that i am "leaking state secret"? i am listing facts based on truth. --SummerThunder 08:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

What? When did I say anything about state secrets? I'm asking you why you deleted the part I added. -- ran (talk) 18:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

exactly, I'm asking you why you deleted all the parts I added on the Chinese site? and how come I am able to add those exact things freely on here, when you and the rest of the Chinese moderators deleted all on the Chinese site?--SummerThunder 19:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Your conduct on the Chinese Wikipedia has already been discussed to death in WP:VPM. If you wish to continue to discuss your conduct on the Chinese Wikipedia or the block placed on you on the Chinese Wikipedia, please do so in more relevant places. This is the talk page for this article. I'm asking you about your edits on this article, more specifically your removal of my edits. -- ran (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay... it's been several hours now, and I see that you're still reverting. Please tell me why you're removing my NPOVization of the Self-Censorship section? -- ran (talk) 01:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

SummerThunder, for the third time, please tell me why you're removing my NPOVization of the Self-Censorship section and replacing it with your own original research? -- ran (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] server location(s)?

It would be interesting for the article to list the server locations. It mentions they're outside of the PRC but that's about all I see. — coelacan talk — 20:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)