Talk:Chinatown patterns in North America

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[edit] Underground communities??

In response, these immigrants built elaborate underground communities in many cites through the American West. Many of these underground communities have been preserved, and are now the subject of historical tours, in cities such as Pendleton, Oregon, Havre, Montana, and Deadwood, South Dakota.

Those are pretty small towns to have underground Chinatowns; either under the ground or secret, whichever meaning is meant. And here's a cite from the Pendleton, Oregon page:

By 1900, Pendleton had a population of 4,406 and was the fourth-largest city in Oregon. Like many cities in eastern Oregon, it had a flourishing Chinatown from the 1880s into the 1920s.

Doesn't sound very "underground" to me, unless you're meaning something like the warren of underground storehouses and opium parlours etc as existed in Vancouver and San Francisco.....Skookum1 06:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal with Chinatowns in North America

And, actually, after the merge, the combined article needs to be broken into a Canada article and a US article; the other article is already very long, partly because it replicates a lot of information from Chinatown and related articles (e.g. the cuisine articles); US "patterns" have a very different history from those in Canada, and the currnet page is heavily US-skewed in terms of content/experience. See also comments on Talk:List of Canadian cities with large Chinese populations about the multiple overlap/redundancy of so many articles on the same ethnic group; I imagine it may even be worse for US-related articles than it is for Canadian ones.Skookum1 08:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The problem is, that each of these articles are already huge, which is why they were split in the first place.--Pharos 21:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The the split should have been between Canada and the US and Mexico (which has Chinatowns and is in North America), not between Chinatowns and "Chinatown patterns". The only useful sense of the latter term would be layout/feng shui considerations, zoning, housing/building styles, economic figures and so on - "patterns". "Patterns" needs defining; and once it's defined it needs to be followed. Yes, these two articles were huge before; they're huge now; but they muddle US and Canadian experiences/histories/ "Patterns" and also seem to omit the Mexican ones (I haven't looked lately, granted).Skookum1 03:20, 10 March 2007 (UTC) Here's the proper split:

• Chinatowns in Canada
• Chinatowns in the United States (of America)
• Chinatowns in Mexico

And throughout both the fudging of the historic sense of a Chinatown and the new application to ethnic-flavoured/dominated suburban shopping malls and condo developments needs to be clarified and kept separate; there's also the List of Chinatowns pages of course...Skookum1 03:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the national/regional scope thing is a separate issue. There's no reason we couldn't just split the existing articles further, with separate lists for the US and Canada, and perhaps separate "pattterns" articles as well. My real concern is just that we not exacerbate the article length problem. By the way, I'm not necessarily wedded to the "patterns" name; we could just as easily call these social trends articles "Chinatowns in X", to be complemented by "List of Chinatowns in X".--Pharos 04:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)