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[edit] Notes on clean up

I noticed the bit on Lady Selenity was pared down to one sentence. I think it's fair to add one or two more sentences--nothing huge, but something like on the future appearance and how it relates (only a bit to) Helios (i.e. he saw the future form in a dream--not a whole thing on the relationship).

I added extensive references for the stats. I'm still missing the Irwin boxes... (which bugs me) so I did the best I could with what I have. I also am missing a reference for the fact that Chibiusa hates ghosts. I can't remember the episode or manga act that would have/mention this directly. But that should clean things up a bit in terms of stats. I'm going to ghost reference the toy boxes for now... until someone comes up with refernces (i.e. from Irwin toy boxes) The manga also never directly mentios element, only indicates it. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

A little more about Lady Serenity would be good, just so long as it's not redundant. ^_^ What you suggest sounds great.
I wonder if some toy-collector website has stuff about the boxes? Or scans? --Masamage 20:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rini or Reeni, ChibiUsa or Chibi-Usa

Rini is pronuced RIN-e, How ever most of the time they pronouce it Re-knee (Rhymes with Teeny acording to her *Cringe* When it is pronuced that way, i've seen it spelled Reeni. Just wanted to note this and see if the spelling is fact or Fancruft.
Also, I've also seen Chibiusa Spelled Chibi-Usa, Again, which is fact and which is not (or are they both legit spellings or is it not really certain(Sorta like the whole thing about Inuyasha vs Inu-Yasha, Vs InuYasha...) Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I always used to spell it Reeny, but the dubbed episode 113 is called "Rini's Risky Friendship," which I guess solidifies the spelling.
I'm kind of undecided on the Chibiusa/Chibi Usa thing. What we're using seems to win the Google-hits contest. --Masamage 19:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Rini was also used by a VA (the previous to Stephanie Beard) on the show in an interview, which is no longer up. (Sources for the show have disappeared a lot) So, I think it's safe to use Rini. Chibiusa comes from Volume 11 of the manga, and is generally supported in the anime books, making it official. Note that usa is an alternate way of pronouncing the kanji for rabbit, so it doesn't really need a space... besides, in Japanese there are no such things as spaces. Japanese when spelling English have trouble with understanding it anyhow. --Hitsuji Kinno 19:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Chibi Usa I know is wrong but what about Chibi-Usa (NOTE THE -!)Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Again, the reference Manga volume 11. Anime books, and other paraphernalia... There has never been a hyphen... --Hitsuji Kinno 03:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The hyphen was added by the subbers. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 03:21, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
In all of USA Book/DVD/VHS sources, her name is spelled as "Rini". Although her name IS a diminutive of "Serena" it was never mentioned that "Serena" was an alternate name. Her Japanese name "Chibiusa" is usually written as one word (Manga, Cards, LDs) but sometimes with a space as "Chibi Usa" which has shown up in the authorised editions of the TV media books. Also, the nickname "Chibiusa" (in the anime - not sure about the manga) was given to Usagi by Kyuusuke on her first day of elementary school in the 20th Century. This was shown in a flashback in episode #081. In episode #061 they are already calling her "Chibiusa" and she hates it, so Usagi must have got it from other students, but we never see it actually occur. I was going to change this in the article itself, but I am not sure how the name originated in the manga though coz in the Tokyo pop version it's different to the Japanese one, and I haven't translated my new editions of the manga. ~ Fighter4luv 15:13, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Looks like, in both the original and the reprint, Usagi is the first one to call her 'Chibi Usagi' and then Mamoru calls her 'Chibi Usa'. Ikuko calls her 'Usa-chan' at first. [1] --Masamage ♫ 00:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Ah ok, cool. Well definitely in the anime, it's made to look like Kyuusuke was the first to call her "Chibiusa", so I am not sure how that works since it's not till ep#081 that we see any of her friends. Usagi was the first person to call her "Chibiusa", when she went missing in her second episode.. and Mamoru seemed to know who that was, so from that first episode to the second, who knows what went on :/ ~ Fighter4luv 03:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
I also double-checked the dub and confirmed that you're right; she never has a name until post-hypnosis Sammy calls her Rini. It's weird, though, because the episode is called "Serena Times Two" and in the opening sequence Serena's voice over says she's "saying she is me!" So I guess they forgot to actually have her do that. --Masamage ♫ 04:02, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
They are always stuffing themselves up on stuff like that though. BTW Moon Prism Box has updated and now has Chibi Moon's profile. So in the manga she is 900 when she first appears, & has the appearance of a 8 year old. ~ Fighter4luv 11:26, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
Awesome. 900 was in the manga, but 8 wasn't. :D --Masamage ♫ 17:10, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added soldier titles

Someone added soldier titles without sources. I'm preparing them for deletion if the sources aren't listed with proof (give you a week). Note that Soldier in training is not a title, but a rank. What's the difference? A private is a rank, a Title is King. Titles are usually passed along, or inherited. A rank is something you earn over the course of time. Sailor Chibi Moon is in training right now to become the next Sailor Moon. Being in training is like being an apprentice which is also a rank (before journeyman)--so it's not a title. If you can prove it's title then I'll accept it. She's never said apprentice soldier either. Technically she's acting more like a journeyman than an apprentice... if anyone has noticed or kept tally. Princess Soldier is a title given to her, nothing she earned.--Hitsuji Kinno 03:17, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

That was me. The translation of her anime introductions is "An apprentice to a pretty sailor suited soldier, Sailor ChibiMoon!" Its a cannon title.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 01:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Sounds more like a descriptive noun than a title. --Masamage 03:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Description, not title... Any objections to it being deleted at this point? --Hitsuji Kinno 09:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sailor Mini Moon

Chibiusa is known as "Sailor Mini Moon" ONLY in English anime. --PJ Pete

...And the article says this. So your point would be...? -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 07:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
The infobox just says "en" after that title, so that would need to be fixed. Is she really Chibi Moon in the English manga? --Masamage 22:25, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes she is. The manga was actually translated before the Sailor Moon S series was dubbed, so she keeps the "Chibi Moon" title just as the Outers keep their original Japanese names. -SaturnYoshi THE VOICES 06:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
'Kay. I noted that in the infobox. --Masamage 08:39, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dub Names

Since Almost all of ChibiUsa's names are Redone for the dub, i added a field to the Template just for her... Though some one else may use it I'm not sure.. It separates the original and English names so we don't have to type EN or English 5 times. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

I made it shorter and de-bolded the two fields that both say 'English', so that it's clear they're both subsidiary to the fields above them. Was dubious at first, but adding that field actually makes the infobox two lines shorter, which is always good by me. ^^ --Masamage 03:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Electra Complex

Chibiusa seems to be the best example of the Electra complex I've ever seen. If anyone knows someone who is familiar with Freudian psychology, could that person please add something about it? Or maybe adding that would be completely inappropriate - I'm not sure, because I don't completely understand the Electra complex myself. Minipie8 03:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we can officially state whether A) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because she's a daddy's girl, B) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because he's the only person who's nice to her, especially compared to Usagi, C) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru just to irritate Usagi, or D) Chibiusa clings to Mamoru because she has the hots for him. It's probably a combination of those, but we can't get too into it without straying into original research. --Masamage 03:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

she a picture of him and she hid it under her pillow blushing when pegusis appeard sailor cuteness-ready for love 12:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


-technically, in terms of Freudian psychology, your points A, B, C, and D are all related. I think it might be safe to add the bit concerning the Electra complex if some sources can be found. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.93.138.118 (talk • contribs).

I disagree, but it doesn't really matter, because there are definitely no official sources that say she is sexually obsessed with Mamoru in any way. Any treatment of the subject would be, by definition, original research --Masamage 22:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
...And yet, in the manga, when she becomes the Black Lady she kisses Mamoru. Raystorm 02:55, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
That's not really an "And yet." That's more of a "Psst, I think you forgot." :P Which is true, I did. --Masamage 06:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Haha, I was just merely saying. ;) Raystorm 14:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I believe that was Usagi's illusion rather than actuality if I remember right.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hitsuji Kinno (talk • contribs).
Black Lady definitely goes the 'seduction' route, whatever the details are. I just bought that manga; after I've finished the SuperS manga I also just got (yay!) I'll invetigate this. --Masamage ♫ 22:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

didn't she flurt with him like heck in super and super's and often say my mamoru and im not shure but i think in the wedding dress episode of super she sayed she wanted to marry mamoru sailor cuteness-ready for love 18:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a "See also" link, for now. When the profile gets rewritten (which it needs to be anyway) we can come up with a more graceful way to include it. --Masamage 20:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

is there a graceful way to say she might be sexauly atrackted to her dad?sailor cuteness-ready for love 20:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

LOL. --Masamage 22:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

we could take the chickin way out "blah blah blah chibi usa may show signs of Electra Complex blah blah" put a hiperlink in and they can see for them selfs sailor cuteness-ready for love 10:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

There are a few issues in place because of this... because in many ways and many indications Chibiusa isn't really able to associate Usagi and Mamoru with her future parents. She treats them differently and repeated indications show that she also treats them differently (Need citations, I have them), so if it was to be posted with an external non-fan source it can easily be argued in the other direction as well. This was at least in previous drafts was it not? So the Electra question still is a question, rather than a definite. Especially since Usagi in the early part of the Black Moon was clearly jealous of the attention that Chibiusa got from Mamoru. Showing they treat each other more like siblings. (Notice she doesn't have those feelings towards King Endymion.) Having feelings towards someone who you see as your sister's boyfriend and immature feelings at that, is not an Electra complex. Cross this with the only kiss that Chibiusa and Mamoru shared was an illusion and a play on Usagi's own jealousy and the argument gets weaker. The time travel aspect makes it harder to discern. (This was from Usagi and mamoru.com, rough summary) --Hitsuji Kinno 21:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] black lady

i was wondring if anyone would object if i copyed this back lady section and pasted it to black moon clans black lady since there the same and this artical has move in it? sailor cuteness-ready for love 17:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary, since it already links back here. Ideally they'd be somewhat different, though, with Chibiusa's article describing the character more and the Black Moon Clan describing her relevance to the baddie group... --Masamage 17:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] deletion

can we remove this because it was added by a vandle hes been vandalising lods padges i was going to remove it but it sayd i couldent till the issue had been resolved but there is no issue its just a bored troll ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Yup. That guy is on a roll for getting banned. Don't worry about it. --Masamage 22:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

ohhh thats what they say when little kids play up just ignore there crys for attention lol ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 22:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. :) --Masamage 22:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

To make her more consistent with Usagi, she should probably get an image of her first senshi form (Like Usagi her uniform goes through a dramatic change) (After she gains the barrettes) The image of her standing their after her henshin should work fine... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC) NVM! I got it myself.. Thank god for the oracleLego3400: The Sage of Time 16:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Um, the image of her in her first Senshi uniform is not fair use because it's not substantially different from what we already have. Usagi's probably isn't either, but she's more iconic so it's a lot more likely to be workable. The Chibi Moon one definitely is not. --Masamage 18:29, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok To compinsate for the bad qulity of the image of that attack i swaped it out for another one, that is stock footage, and shows her uniform and attack much clearer. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs).

That looks fine. --Masamage 22:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Music Storage

A number of image songs featuring Chibiusa's character have been released.[1]

From the original anime, sung by Araki Kae:

  • Yume o Ijimenaide ("Don't Tease My Dreams!")
  • Watashi-tachi Ni Naritakute
  • Bai Bai tte itta ("I'll Say Bye Bye")

From the musicals, sung by various actresses:

  • Mata Mata Chibiusa Desu
  • Double Moonlight Romance (With Usagi and Mamoru)
  • Chibiusa no Kokoroiki
  • Chibiusa no Hanran
  • Yume Miru Mori no Yume no Yume (Sung with the Amazoness Quartet)
  • Black Moon Signal (As Black Lady)
  • Kono Kodou kara Yoru wa Umarenai (Duet of Black Lady and Sailor Chibi Moon)
  • Pinky Typhoon
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