User talk:Cheeser1

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[edit] moving the discussion from the thrice board here

i think that you have a valid point, but that we're both spending too much time at each other's throats to sit down and discuss the issue. i apoligize for being condescending and escalating the situation when i should have backed off (we both appear to be confrontational). so...after reading the emo page, i'm realizing that i didn't necessarily do my homework, but that we both are making mistakes. i'm not familiar with emo's history, but at the same time i dont' think we can use a non-contemporary definition of something. emo has progressed (as the article makes clear) away from what it used to be. i agree that 15 years ago, i would have easily labeled thrice as emo (not like they existed then, but you take my point). however, recent trends have moved emo into a whiny, sap-driven genre that appeals more to adolescent girls than to hardcore fans. this may not be a complete shift for the genre, but with the word emo coming to be associated with acts like that, i hesitate to clump thrice in with bands like that. i'm trying to do them justice and i think that the current defintion of emo is not what thrice is. lyrically, they delve into issues that would never be discussed in mainstream emo and musically they have a complexity that also is not found in mainstream emo. sure, not all emo is mainstream, but if we attempt to use a non-mainstream definition, we risk confusion. now, as i said, i'm not 100% on what i'm talking about here, so some clarification on my user page would be much-appreciated IF we can escape the confrontationalism. Deutschebag17 06:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest you refer to the differences between Emo (music) and Emo (slang), the latter of which I will suggest is helpful, albeit poorly written in my opinion and pretty much the product of generalization and some vague perception of a fashion trend. And that is exactly what characterizes this "whiney, sap-driven genre," although Emo_music#The_third_wave (like other sources I could dig up about emo) indicates that emo simply does not exist and that it's continued use (as a label for music or otherwise) is simply not indicative of proper use. I can't start a band and be a 30s big band, no matter how much we sound like one, no matter how much people want to call us one. The label screamo, which someone added, makes more sense, although that genre's definition (in my opinion) is alot more hazy. But that's another discussion, and as of yet, it makes a little more sense.

As for the Thrice article, maybe you misunderstood, but I don't consider them emo. Not because of the "contemporary definition" (meaning slang misuse) but because they simply don't fit the only definition - emotive hardcore of a particular style from the early 90s. Cheeser1 13:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

whoa, yeah, i misunderstood. i thought you were applying the emo label to thrice. perhaps i should go back and read the entire discussion instead of just your responses. whoops. and thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Deutschebag17 18:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pinch Harmonic

Thank you. Cutting that list back down to size was long overdue.-Jefu 10:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Straight pride

Why do you believe "Straight pride" is part of the "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender studies" WikiProject? -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 04:51, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a reactionary "movement" formed in complete mimicry of the Gay Pride movement. It couldn't be any clearer. Cheeser1 07:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree - the article is totally not a "LGBT and Queer studies" article, which is what the project is about. While it may mimic Gay pride, straight pride has absolutely nothing to do with Lesbians, Gay men, Bisexuals, Trangender persons, or the subject of Queer studies. -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

From the article: It advocates that, in order to receive a healthy upbringing, children need parents of both sexes so that they will not incur psychological or social deficiencies. Straight Pride rejects the message that gays and lesbians should be discriminated against by society[2], but is outspoken that they should not enjoy the same rights for civil engagement and the chances of adopting children that heterosexual couples do.[1] As someone who has studied sociology and specifically has worked in both creating and studying an LGBT Studies curriculum, I think I can safely say that this relates (if it isn't obvious). Cheeser1 09:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)