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On the project page you can find detailed guides on how to write about counties and settlements, as well as where to find statistics, references and other useful things. Additionally, the following have been identified as specific improvements this article needs: Physical geography section, including geology, landscape, ecology and climate, with possible sub-page Geology of Cheshire Possible tourism, industry and culture sections, with sub-pages is neccesary Reduce the settlements section to a summary of the main towns and cities; the complete list should go on List of places in Cheshire Populate Category:Natives of Cheshire & Category:Villages in Cheshire Add icons to the places of intrest, using Template:EngPlacesKey Add to the Cheshire images gallery

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1. The re-sectioning carried out recently has been good.
2. More expansion of the sections is required.
3. Take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about counties for ideas on how to expand this article with new and expanded sections.
4. The References and Citations need expanding (WP:CITE, and WP:V).
5. Aim to apply for "Good Article Status" in the not too distant future, after expanding and editing in light of these suggestions.

 DDStretch  (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

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Contents 1 Warrington the biggest town? 2 Images 3 Buildings 4 Famous People 5 Expansion 6 Settlements 7 Cholmondely 8 Referring to Cheshire's Districts 9 A Possible project (or sub-project) for Cheshire 10 Page Restructure like Dorset

[edit] Warrington the biggest town?

Are you sure about that, I would have thought Chester or Crewe were bigger (unless you were reffering to towns not populus areas.DannyM 11:01, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Warrington is a lot bigger than Chester and Crewe put together!!!! David 15:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Chester is a City not a town.

Warrington is in Lancashire.

Only in one sense - for most purposes, it's been entirely in Cheshire since 1974. Guy Hatton 00:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Aye, Warrington is bigger than Chester and Crewe.--Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Do we honestley need four pics of basically the same place, just from different angles. Also, any pics the Coat of Arms (i.e. the one with the blue b/g and 4 swords)?. DannyM 18:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Agree, current pictures are overlapping (two literally so); it would be better to have a range. Perhaps something showing the sandstone ridge? (I took Image:Bickerton Hill.jpg recently, but it didn't come out as well as I'd hoped.) A canal? Probably best to steer clear of buildings or towns because of the problem of selecting a representative one. Espresso Addict 18:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

• I've swapped one of the repeated images for a picture of a 'typical' timbered building snaffled from the Nantwich page. If it's not appropriate feel free to delete the link. I'd suggest deleting some of the other semi-repeat images but I'll leave it to someone else to implement. Espresso Addict 03:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It suggests that Wayne Ronney is a famous person from Cheshire, but he was born in Liverpool.

[edit] Buildings

I've added a new section on Cheshire buildings, sourced mainly from Images of England. An expert contributor would be great! Espresso Addict 16:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Famous People

I saw that show about footballer cribs, the episode where they had Harry Kewell's house, and he said it was in Cheshire, so i'll add him, if anyone knows if he has moved recently or anything though, feel free to delete his name. --Nirvana- 12:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Cisse moved to France right?--Vindicta 23:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Kim Cattrall and Tim Curry were born well before the transfer of the local governemnt of Warrington and Widnes in April 1974 into the administrative county of Cheshire, so by definition they ARE NOT from Cheshire! Try Lancashire. I hate revisionism. (AMD, Yorkshire). 84.67.152.88 21:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, you are correct. They can (and should) be listed in the relevant places of the articles for Warrington and Widnes, but they should not be put into the entry for Cheshire, for the reasons you give. I've removed them. If people feel strongly otherwise, then they can put them back and/or discuss it here.  DDStretch  (talk) 21:33, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

What about if the title was changed to "Notable residents" rather than "Cheshire people" as per the "How to write about places" template - then the question would be if Kim Cattrall/Tim Curry have lived in Cheshire since 1974? Life's too short for rv'ing :-) Salinae 12:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. I've done the edit.  DDStretch  (talk) 13:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Transport is a bit thin on the ground. Anything else need adding? Mrsteviec 08:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I think the history section is the one mainly lacking, it isn't even mentioning its status as a county palatine, the Earl of Chester, its position on the Welsh Borders. Morwen - Talk 10:14, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Eek. History of Cheshire is about the same length. Mrsteviec 10:23, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Settlements

This edit attempts to show places that were, and places that are, in Cheshire on a like-for-like basis and this is not the case. It is clearer, and in keeping the way other articles are written to show a clear distinction. Mrsteviec 17:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

This edit does the same but as an added disruption corrupts the syntax of several sentences and adds a half formatted link to a non-notable person. This summarises why the edit is reverted. Mrsteviec 12:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cholmondely

Why is Cholmondely pronounced "chumly"?

Wouldn't you? ;) Chris 03:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Referring to Cheshire's Districts

I've noticed on the talk page for Chester (the city) that there is some confusion about what to include. I added a comment pointing out that there is confusion that fails to distinguish between the actual City of Chester and the District within Cheshire with a very similar name, but which is more extensive. Would there be anything gained from making the entries of and/or references to the districts clearer by adding "District of" to their titles and editing the text appropriately? I may be reletively new to all this, but it would potentially make things more clear and not be inaccurate at all.  _DDS  talk 13:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A Possible project (or sub-project) for Cheshire

I hope I haven't trodden on any toes by doing this, but I took as a precedent the project about Cornwall. I've listed a proposed project concerning Cheshire on Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. I think it can easily co-exist with Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography. I would not want to diminish or withdraw from this other project. If you are interested in contributing to this proposed project, please add your name to list at the appropriate place. If you think it might be better placed as a sub-project of the dxisting UK Geography Project, please say so on that project's talk page, here, and let us discuss it. Many thanks.  _DDS  talk 18:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page Restructure like Dorset

Dorset seems to be the page that everyone refers to as the template for UK counties. In comparison, the Cheshire page seems a little disjointed. I am happy to have a crack at reorganising it into the following headings:

1. History, the current History, Buildings, Identity sections
2. Physical geography, the current Geography section
3. Demographics, new section
4. Politics, the current Politics section
5. Economy and industry, the current Economy and Famous Products sections
6. Cheshire people, the current Notable people section
7. Settlements and communications, the current Settlements, Transport and List of Places
8. See also, add links to List of places in Cheshire etc
9. References, the current References section
10. External links, the current External links section

Cheshire also has a Divisions and environs section, which does not appear in Dorset so not sure where we would put this - into Politics perhaps?

Anyway, anyone got any particular strong feelings about this before I rework it? Pixie2000 09:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I was also thinking that this should be done at some point. So, good on you for offering to do it. I will try to help out as well, if you think it would be useful. At the moment I'm still trying to sort out maps of the boroughs and so on. As for where the "Division and environs" should go, I was thinking along the lines of having a section called "Administration" before you suggested the Dorset structure or model, which would describe the government divisions of the county, both present and past. If so, to keep with the Dorset model, may be that would be best placed in the politics section, as you suggest, but one could always change the title of the section to "Politics and Administration" to make it seem less about political parties?  DDStretch  (talk) 11:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you are right - move it into a new Politics and Administration section. In that way it mirrors very closely the Dorset article. Something for me to work on, but I also need to complete my Vale Royal maps!! Busy busy! Pixie2000 12:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that Transport could probably be spun out in to it's own section personally. There's enough to say when you take in to account roads, rail and canal transport to justify its own section . I also agree with your "see also" idea. There are two many lists in this article at the moment and that places of interest section is crying out to be an article of it's own. Personally I'm not so sure we should even have a section on people from Cheshire. Taking a look at that list none of them are notable because they come from Cheshire and therefore I'm not sure how significant their connection is to warrant a mention in this article. Also I can't imagine how it could be turned in to prose.  YDAM TALK 13:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Possibly this might be related to, or rather might refer to, an article dealing with Public Footpaths in Cheshire as well?  DDStretch  (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the lists (both Notable people and Places of interest) are not specifically relevant here - I quite like the way that Dorset has put their "places of interest" at the end of List of places in Dorset - this seems a reasonable compromise! As for the list of people, then there is a category Natives of Cheshire - perhaps we should just refer to the category? Pixie2000 15:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

At some point, there may be sufficient articles that could be called "thematic articles" concerning aspects of Cheshire, that it would be better to think of a "Cheshire Portal". I'm not sure we are at that stage yet, but it may be worth our while having an eye to this potential future possibility in designing our articles and what they should be about. (But may be this could be taken to the discussion on the Cheshire project's talk page?)  DDStretch  (talk) 15:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have done this. I have removed the Places of Interest - it is on User:Pixie2000/Sand3 at the moment and I am unclear what to do with it!!  Pixie2000 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I have now added the Places of Interest to the end of List of places in Cheshire, as Dorset has done  Pixie2000 (talk) 07:21, 14 March 2007 (UTC).