Talk:Chernorizets Hrabar

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[edit] An Account of Letters

I would suggest to move the artcle to An Account of Letters, since what is all content is about. The only information about the person it that he was the author of the work, and the name may well be a pseudonym. So at the moment an improtance of the manuscript is higher than that of the name. mikka (t) 2 July 2005 18:13 (UTC)

There is no official (or better said, known) data that confirm that Hrabar was Bulgarian nor some other nationality. Gee, I wonder from where did the Bulgarians digged up this? Huh, this article is full of incorrect information and in this version, certainly is not for Wikipedia... Bomac 15:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you be more specific, please? "Full of nonsense" is hardly helpful comment. mikka (t) 16:34, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Name

I moved the article back to its proper English title, because, as far as I can see, the subject has no established name in English. Google church for "chernorizets Hrabar" discoveres pages either mirroring the Wikipedia content or referring to the Varna Chernorizets Hrabar Free University, which is hardly a criterion to establish which name should be preferred. --Ghirla | talk 09:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. Here is a search that excluded "varna", "VFU" and "wikipedia". It has a total of 384 results in English that include various spellings of Hrabar. The search for "chernorizets" with the same criteria has another 246.

The search for "Hrabar the Monk" with "wikipedia" excluded has practically no results, except for some "The Brave Monk" translation stuff that is preceded by the real name.

Besides, if there is no established name in English (although there is one in this case), you shouldn't attempt on coining in new names, but rather use the most popular one, which is apparently the most widespread transliteration — Chernorizets Hrabar. And Hrabar the Brave is not the or even a proper name in English, it's only a partial translation that sounds weird, at least to me. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 10:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Please don't deify the google search. Chernorizets is the Slavic word for monk. To use it as a proper name is downright silly. We don't have Letopisets Nestor, do we? Why should we have Chernorizets Hrabar? --Ghirla | talk 11:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Probably because it's the most popular name used? Plus, you were the one that tried to provide evidence through Google search, I just proved you wrong, it wasn't me that chose the method. Google search is only a factor here, if you in any way prove Hrabar the Monk is the form that's prevalent in English, I would agree with the moving of the article to this name. But, as I already said, coining in new terms out of nowhere isn't the policy.

Additionally, how do you know what was what? Hrabar was almost certainly not his first name, but rather part of the pseudonym and has a meaning (brave), why do you translate only the chernorizets part? It's not like I would support a wholy-translated version or a translation of any kind, but the current name is as bad as it could be. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 12:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Your notion that I "coined" the current name is wrong. I just attempted to translate a Slavic noun. If the issue is important for you and you believe that I was wrong, you are free to move the article back. I will not interfere now that you explained yourself. --Ghirla | talk 12:14, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the understanding. It really is quite important. What I meant by "coin" is "try to introduce terms that have not been in use before", not "invent new words". → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 12:46, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

You are insane. Chernorizec Hrabar was not Bulgarian He was Macedonian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.110.67.19 (talk • contribs).

Oops, my fault.

1. There was no Macedonia, Macedonians or Macedonian language back then. And until a lot later.
2. There is no evidence whatsoever that Cherorizsets Hrabar has ever visited what we today call Macedonia (not that Macedonia).
3. In fact, the only thing that is known is that he worked in the Preslav Literary School in modern northeastern Bulgaria for the First Bulgarian Empire. Todor→Bozhinov 15:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)