Talk:Cheap Trick
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[edit] Redirection of members
The various band members articles were up on votes for deletion... I have redirected all the members individual articles to here and including any content that existed on those articles. Hope thats ok with original page contributers Pcb21 09:57 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
[edit] Genres
Shouldn't the genres list them as power pop too? Cao 00:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Pop Punk?!!!
Ok, how are they even a little punk? Am I missing something. They seem more like pop rock, but where is the punk? The Ungovernable Force 19:45, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
CUZ I WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANT YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TO WANT ME. I NEEEEEEEEEEED YOUUUUUUUUUU TO NEED ME. I'D LOOOOOOOOOOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU TO LOVE ME, OH IM BEEEEEEEEEGGIN YOU TO BEG ME.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.227.151.159 (talk • contribs).
[edit] Reference needed for claim of "pop punk"
Well, as i see it, there is punk-ness to them because they are a miss-matched group from the middle of nowhere, Rockford, Illinois. Yet they did form before the original punk movement, it's a tough one. They are definitely cited by Green Day, The Methadones, Propagandhi (destroyed "i want you to want me"), and others. However we really need a solid reference here. SO, to the write of that statement, please provide one if not more sources (ideally from the early 80s/or even '79) that actually uses the description "pop punk" when describing the sound of Cheap Trick. I will do some research to. I have been really active on the pop punk article and have been looking for the first mention of "pop punk." Our best guess right now, (as noted in the discussion section) is that The Descendents the first "pop punk" band. They are cited by blink-182, and a slew of other bands, and they have roots in hardcore punk which makes them eligible to be defined as a "pop punk" meaning combining the upbeat aspects of the original punk rock bands with the trends in contemporary music. For Cheap Trick, we'd need a source that described them as "pop punk" which would warrant them possibly the first band to be described as "pop punk" (when references are checked), but they still may not BE the first "pop punk" band because it need to be asserted that they were aware of punk and were influenced by punk when they were writing their songs. As it is, based on the genres listed in their band box and the categories listed at the bottom, we see "power pop" which is of no dispute, "pre-punk groups" which may indicate that they would be considered a fore-bearer to punk rock, which would in some way make it hard for them to then claim to be influenced by punk, though that might be possible to show, if the proper references can be found, "New Wave" which i really dont associate with Cheap Trick (but ok), and "rock and roll" which is plain obvious. Again, we just need the sources and were golden. In the meantime I will make a note of it in the pop punk talk page, but for now in my head i'm still thinking of the Descendents as the first pop punk band. Word. Xsxex 00:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
- I've observed that it's often really difficult for younger listeners today to understand just how malleable a term "punk" was prior to about 1978. Anazgnos 19:16, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Joey Ramone was big Cheap Trick fan. I saw Joey backstage at a CT date in San Diego in 1980 or 81. I was a student at SDSU working security. So, if Joey dug them, thats good enough for me. http://www.nyrock.com/reviews/2001/joey_lives.asp —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.84.114.175 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC).
- So if Joey Ramone had been spotted backstage at a Mozart concert, would that mean that we'd have to start calling Mozart "classical punk"? :) Xtifr tälk 18:51, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
As with others, I totally fail to understand why anyone could consider Cheap Trick 'Pop Punk'. They have all the hallmarks of a conventional rock band - tuneful vocals, blues-based guitar solos, long hair, etc. I think there is a good case for removing the reference to 'pop punk'.Robojam 16:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Copyright violation?
The vast majority of the History section matches word-for-word the description I see here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:41u67u50h0j0~T1
Most of this appears to have occurred with the 19:30, 5-Apr-2006 edit.
At the very least, the source of this text needs to be credited and have some indication that permission to copy has been granted; if not, then all of this info needs to be removed as it a copyright violation.
- A month and a half and no comments, so I stripped out the text that was lifted from allmusic.
[edit] Genre: just rock, 'm'kay?
In general, Wikipedia prefers that more general categories be used, especially in an infobox. Other genres can be mentioned in the body of the article, if necessary. Since there doesn't seem to be a concensus here, I've just switched it to "rock", which is nice and inarguable. Listing dozens of sub-sub-genres is more appropriate for a fan site than an encyclopedia. If everyone can agree on a specific sub-genre, fine, use that instead, but don't list four! Pick one! And try to make it a fairly general one, not some super-specific sub-genre. Personally, I think "rock" is just fine. (p.s. I was born in 1959, was a big fan back in the day, and don't think I ever heard them referred to as "punk" by anyone. Some new wave got mislabelled as punk, but "true" punk rockers usually objected strongly.) (p.p.s. rock and roll on Wikipedia usually refers to very early, 1950s-style rock.) Xtifr tälk 08:54, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Live DVD
I'm in Australia and have just purchased the Live DVD. Details verbatim off cover: Front: Cheap Trick Recorded Live at Selena's, Sydney, 1988
umbrella music www.umbrellaent.com.au
I'll leave it to others to alter the entry Francis Xavier Holden 16:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
