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[edit] Should Charva be a seperate article from Chav?

If Townie has an article in its own right then surely Charva should have one, instead of the redirect to Chav. Even if the page is still ultimately protected or semiprotected (against vandalism or warring), the term still merits a page of its own. The etymology for Charva differs from Chav (except where Chav borrows from Charva), and the usage may be different too. Plus there are many external and internal links that affect Charva but not necessarily Chav. If the page is protected as a page in its own right this will stop vandalism/warring but ensure the term is given proper recognition. --Jtan unleashed 14:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

The consensus of the AfD debate a year ago was rather clear. If, though, you have any sources that suggest major differences in usage or etymology between these two terms, I for one would be (sincerely) interested in them, because I recall a distinct lack of such sources in the debate, even though the same claims were made. EldKatt (Talk) 07:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
The VFD was made on inccorect information- that charva is a alternative word derived from chav. Finally online evidence the opposite is true is now starting to appear.

What is really getting me here is that every other major regional variation has its own article except charva i.e. scally and ned. What makes them more worthy of their own article then charva? This is just dual standards, charva should be its own article or they should be destroyed likewise. --Josquius 20:57, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Please cite this evidence. I don't live in Britain, nor do I have any ties to it, so I frankly don't know anything about the other regional variations. If they're as different from chav as charva seemed to be last time I checked into it, then I'm for their deletion as well. But, as I said, I don't know enough about them. EldKatt (Talk) 21:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The problem with this kind of thing is by its very nature there isn't much evidence. Its part of lower class culture, not really the stuff websites are made of. On the chav article however someone has brought up a computer game from the mid 90s made by a company with a major office in Newcastle where they called a rather charva like bunch of enemy cannon fodder...charva. Also finally people who know about it from the north east are showing themself. As I've said before however there is already evidence it just isn't on the internet, its published- anyone who has read the viz could tell you of charvas being around since long before this chav thing--Josquius 21:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Published sources are, if anything, more reliable than online sources. To me, though, neither sort exists until someone cites it. Verifiability doesn't just mean taking someone's word for the existence of unspecified sources. More to the point, though, if evidence were cited to suggest, say, that charva is older than chav (which I see no reason to be skeptical about), this wouldn't necessarily suggest that the two terms are different enough to warrant different articles, which is the very reason I, and most others, voted for the deletion of this article. Either way, until any new sources are actually cited there's nothing I can say except the VfD has spoken. EldKatt (Talk) 08:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes there is something you can say- get rid of Scally and all the other regional variations of charva. Its the dual standards I don't like not that charva doesn't have its own article. Charva should be counted as just as valid as the others and either given its own article or all the others brought down to the level of this one.

There was a vfd on ned once before, it merely failed because of rapid Scotish nationalists: had there been a lot of 'north east nationalists' then the outcome would have been very different. Oppinion really shouldn't be based on such people. The charva VFD was rather sneaky and underhanded, I didn't even notice it had been until it had come and gone, if you'll notice I didn't get to have a say there.--Josquius 10:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Etymology of Charva?

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