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2006 February discussions

Twice blessed child

Wyatt is refered to as the twice blessed child by the demons at several points and in one prophecy, some people question if this is not due to the potion in the form of chocolates given to piper accidentaly by cole when he was trying to get pheobe to concieve an evil child. The birth was blessed by the elders by allowing piper and leo to marry and by the Source of all evil (cole) by helping wyatt being concieved with the potion/chocolates when the doctors told piper she could not. Hence the term "Twice blessed child" and the awesome scope of Wyatts powers.

Im wondering if this is worth mentioning there is only speculation towards it and it might fall under original research but if we mention it as a fan theory would it fit? --Seth Turner 18:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC) (i am also going to place this in Wyatt Halliwell discussion.

-Mark-
I thought twice blessed child was because Wyatt's mother was a charmed one and when Wyatt was conceived his father had been an elder (or was he just a whitelighter?). But also another question has arisen based on this assumption. It is the question of if Paige also is a twice blessed one? However, Paige's mother was just a witch (though coming from a great heritage of witches), and her father was just a regular whitelighter, and not a promoted one, such as an elder.
No because Leo wasn't an elder at the time, he was just a wightlighter he became an elder way after the conception and birth of Wyatt. The blessing from good was that the elders permitted the marage of Leo and Piper and by proxy any children they might have. Paige was not born with the concent of the Elders so didnt recieve the blessing also Holy Matrimony is stated to have effects on the power of children born in multiple occasions, if Cole were married to Pheobe in such a ceremony then their child would not be pure evil. This constitutes blessing from good and the potion from Cole constitues blessing from evil. In charmed mythology magic is at its strongest when good and evil agree/work together resulting in Wyatt who is undoubtable the strongest creature in charmed mythology. --Seth Turner 12:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC) (Yes i read too much into these things but fancruft has its place)


-Amanda-

As far as my understanding, specifically from that episode when he was born, Wyatt is twice blessed because he is the child of a Charmed One and becuase he was born during the big astrological even of the time (I think the planets were specially alligned or something)


-Anon-

And, if you watch the show, some demons mention that there is a prophesy stating that the first child born from a charmed will inheret the greatest powers of the line. It would have been Phoebe's baby had the seer not stolen it and died. But instead it fell upon wyatt. I'm just saying that there was a small mention in the show about great power coming to the first born of a charmed one.

Dropped the editorial from the beginning

Text consisted of: " This show is incredibly stupid and makes a mockery of Wicca and other forms of Witchcraft and Paganism. Aaron Spelling should be sued for making such a rediculous show with such rediculous views on Witchcraft. This goes right up there with The Craft. If you have any respect for Witches, Wiccans, Shamans, or any other Pagan religions, you'd stop watching this stupid show.

Thank you."

Didn't strike me as particularly unbiased or productive...

A note on Charmed and Wicca, for future reference: Charmed has not mentioned Wicca as an organized religion since the first episode of season two, and has never really had anything to do with it in the first place, as there was only a limited number of references to the term which did not go beyond the word being said out loud. The word "Wiccan" as an adjective to "Wiccan duties" has been used about two times since season two, and has not been used since season five. The term "Wiccaning" was used two times, without any religious connotation. No form of Paganism has ever been mentioned in the series, and the creators have never ever proposed any link made between the world of Charmed and any real-life religion or lifestyle.
To sum up, there may be need for mention of the above facts to clarify that Charmed has next to nothing to do with Wicca. Otherwise, I have, in my four year acquaintance with the topic, have seen not more than three of four claims against Charmed from Wiccan or Pagan circles, so this might not even be a problem worth mentioning. AdamDobay 18:22, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

They do use the term 'wiccan' and definatly have since after season 2. example- 'my wiccan duties' which pheobe said when she was married to Cole.

Yes, but without religious connotation. Wiccan was, what I understand from the context, simply used as an adjective for 'witch', not as 'a practitioner of the Wiccan religion' as there's been no mention of the religion since season 2. AdamDobay 22:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

What about the Wiccaning ceremony for Wyatt, and the marriage of Leo and Piper, both of which were conducted by Grams in her capacity as Wiccan High Priestess? Don't these have religious or pseudo-religious connotations of some kind? I don't know much about the Wiccan religion itself, and the show certainly doesn't talk about it much, but at these points the Wiccan religion certainly seems to be involved. Walton monarchist89 12:20, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Adrian nonsense

Just a note, if anything in the future arises about this Adrian Hickman character, feel free to delete it without hesitation. There is no such character in the show, there has not been one, and there will not be such a character in season eight. Someone keeps spamming this article, unfortunately. AdamDobay 17:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I've watched every Charmed series since Season 1 and I've never heard of Adrian Hickman either. He certainly isn't a character in the show. Maybe he's one of the guest stars, producers etc., or a character from a different show, and someone got confused. Walton monarchist89 12:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

  • There's a way to answer such questions: look up the name in the IMDb; it turns out there is no Adrian Hickman, neither character on Charmed [[1]] nor real life [[2]], nor a suggested similar name connected with the series. Fastifex 08:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Vote for Image:CharmedHollyMarieCombs.jpg

Hello. If you could take a moment to express your opinion if the photo Image:CharmedHollyMarieCombs.jpg should remain on the Wikipedia site or not, I would be very appreciative. This is the photo presently on the main Charmed page under the Piper paragraph. You can give your opinion on that page's talk page. There seems to be some question as to its right to be on the site. Thank you. Artemisboy 01:08, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

2006 March discussions

Licensing

I don't know if it should go under Licenses or not, but shouldn't there be a mention of Charmed books and other merchandise beyond the DVDs? (at the very least I would expect some info on the books and a possible brief mention of other materials licensed.

  • I'm wondering if the DVD information should be split off from the main page as well, forming an article with the rest of the Charmed merchandise: Charmed Magazine, Charmed books, Soundtracks and Charmed dolls. AdamDobay 16:50, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Charmed Template

I've been thinking that with the Charmed Template being added to every page (including the episode pages) it should be altered to take up a little less space on the page (height-wise). I've worked up an alternate look for it, check it out User:Maelwys/Charmed Draft and let me know what you think.

Maelwys 20:29, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


Hi there Maelwys, I think that your template version is though space-conserving, it is much more complex to understand. When I look at any item I have to cross-check it with the category at the left to see what I'm looking at, it's a bit blurry for me thus. I do not know what would be a better option, but I'll keep thinking. AdamDobay 19:15, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need the ratings?

I think ratings should either be moved to a separate article or just simply deleted. They do not really give any general information on the show as this article is intended to give, and by being so it just takes space and makes the article much more of a box of randomness like how it was some months ago. Opinions? AdamDobay 19:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I tend to think not. If anywhere, they can maybe get added as a line into each episode synopsis (with the other production information at the top). But even then, I don't see much worth in having them there. Maelwys 19:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
    • I'll just remove them then, and if anyone will need it they can look them up in the history or anywhere. Or should we do a List of Charmed ratings? AdamDobay 20:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, now we seem to have even more ratings there so I think it's even more important to get rid of them, as they're starting to take over the entire main page very quickly. I still don't think they're important enough to warrant their own page, and would rather just see them included on the template for each episode summary... but I guess if other people think it's important to be able to compare them (to see how the popularity has risen or fallen over the years) we can make them a page of their own as you propose. Maelwys 01:28, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Looking it through, I think they should go in the List of Charmed episodes next to the episode titles. Anywhere else would be redundancy. AdamDobay 10:02, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
        • Okay, I had time to do S7 and S8. I'm starting to think that we should write editing guidelines for this page into the comments, similarly to Lost, to avoid main page trashing. AdamDobay 10:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Done S4 and S5 as well, and left a note with instructions incase the anonymous ratings fairy returns with the rest. ;-) Maelwys 13:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, until someone moved it and stuff, I was the source of the ratings. I got them from www.charmed-streetteam.org and posted them here. Hoped I didnt cause any inconveniace. I posted the ratings for ALL of the seasons except S2 and S6, although for one episode, I added a rating cuz it was on CST. Note that it has already been moved to List of Charmed episodes, and it has also been added to the chart. :) If I find more ratings, I will add them!.

Charmed template image

The image shown above the show's description is great and all, but it's way too big in file size, especially when you view the source file of it. It's too big for dial-up users, and seems to load slowly from Wikipedia anyway, seeing as I'm on broadband, and it loaded very slowly. I think a better (static) picture should be found to replace it. BenoitRen 18:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

There was a static picture before, I wonder where it's gone. AdamDobay 22:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Removal of 'Criticism'

I have removed the section 'Criticism' posted by an unregistered person. My reason for the removal was the fact that the person was basically picking out random ranting from fan forums regarding the show's possible problems (which may or may not exist as these are only very weak opinions on all sides), as well as pushing the aggressive type of "Anti-Milano" POV found in some fan circles. I think that biasedly representing either side the Milano versus Doherty debate from which this stems is not really suitable for an encyclopaedia. AdamDobay 23:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I posted what I've found, and its not strongly "Anti-Milano" (the opinions are much worse). As for the show's lack of continuity. See for yourself:

  • Originally, evil beings could touch the BOS. Then they are unable and by Zankou they are able once again.
  • Cleaners must cover up exposure of magic, yet we have Season 3 finale.
  • Paige was alongside her sisters the three times the Source was vanquished, yet when the Source was recently resurrected, Paige asked Phoebe and Piper how did they vanquished the Source.
  • In "Morality Bites", the girls learn to protect the innocent instead of punishing the guilty (killing "evil" mortals). Yet by Hyde School Reunion they morph Phoebe's ex so he gets killed, instead of doing something that would've not resulted in the guy's death. --Gonzalo84 00:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


First of all, I did not state that there were no continutity mistakes. I myself know about a hundred continuity mistakes as I've collected them at one time. As you can read in my original reason for removal, I removed the section because they are one-sided, and overemphasized opinions. Some of the most often referred-to items, as the one with the Cleaners, for example, are not established as continuity errors but are debated topics (as there are an equal amount of fans claiming that there is no indication that the Cleaners have always existed, so it may be said that they did not exist at the time of Season 3, some opinions even going so far as the Cleaners probably being established exactly after the Prue Halliwell-case). Also, blaming the whole thing on one person, Brad Kern, is again a common but false generalization that Brad Kern from the crew of two hundred is responsible for everything you see in an episode. Anyone with little knowledge of how television and film production works can tell you that this is not a credible opinion. So sure, there are continuity mistakes stemming from the executive producer change and the coming and going of writers, but are they so important and so dominant from the point of view of the show that they need to be prominently featured in an Encyclopaedia? Not in the way it was included previously.
Secondly, what you had posted in your second paragraph is also massively one-sided, emphasizing criticism only against Alyssa Milano. Through my profession I am familiar with a large number of Charmed fan forums internationally and I can say that I have come across those opinions - about two or three times compared to the other hundred. Has there been a large-scale fan debate between fans of Alyssa Milano and Shannen Doherty on the topic of Doherty's leaving the show, the only aspect of Charmed prominently featured in Charmed-related press appearances? Yes, the "Who should have been fired" topic even today that is a common flame war starter among many U.S. fans. Is the losing of weight of Alyssa Milano constantly referred to, by fans and in press? No. Why then should it be uniquely featured at the top of an Encyclopaedia article?
As a final note, Television Without Pity is known for its sarcastic approach, its deliberate scorning of shows and its method of only focusing on the negative side. The style of TWoP is exactly the form of POV that should not be repeated on Wikipedia.
So in conclusion, some aspect of what you have written as criticism may be worth for inclusion in the article but, in my opinion, not in the way and not in the style you have included it in. If it is held up that fan debating should appear in the article, so be it, but not in the nitpicking way and the style. AdamDobay 09:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I thought up how to do this: under a general "Changes" section there could be a list of all major changes to story, cast, and crew, with references to fan criticism stemming from these changes. I have this all sorted out in my mind so please wait a few hours for me to be able to come back and write it up. AdamDobay 10:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

While sarcastic, TWoP doesn't just focus on the negative. They give due credit, for instant, Holly Marie Combs acting and details like Bizarro Gideon. As for criticism on only Alyssa, Leo is critized for being ugly and a fool, so I didn't think it deserved a place in the article, neither Rose McGowan's "bad acting", since this criticism doesn't come from an acting coach, director or critic.--Gonzalo84 03:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Then on this basis why does Alyssa need criticism on her weight to be in an encyclopaedia article? I still don't get it. AdamDobay 09:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I could also point a pro-Charmed bias with the "amazing ratings". First, no source, second, the ratings have been dropping since season 6 at least, but I have no source, so i didn't post it.--Gonzalo84 03:48, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

International ratings are not a pro-Charmed bias, as Charmed is better abroad than in the U.S. In Great Britain it remains the best rated show in its timeslot (you can't say that in the U.S.), and even in countries like Hungary, it reached ratings as 20-25% in its peak period. I'll go get you references. AdamDobay 09:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I was talking about refering to the rating as "amazing". Say big, whatever, just point out at what time the ratings were great. I don't doubt that during the show's peak (Seasons 3 and 4) it had good ratings. And to say ratings are better than in the US is also not an exact reference since the show's ratings went on a downslide that caused the budget cuts (a show's budget depends on advertising, and advertisers mostly care about ratings).

I never referred to ratings as amazing, and especially not for US ratings. I only used the phrase "exceptionally high" and only for the case of non-US countries. That is a difference. In a number of countries, like I said and will document later (although public ratings that long back are hard to find, I have access to some of the exact ratings data but I cannot make that public as that data is owned by the channel that I have got the data from), Charmed has a much higher rating than other shows that have higher ratings than Charmed in the US, and not related to the show's current ratings in the US. For example the highest rated seasons in Hungary were five and six, which are already the downslide period in the US, and Season 8 in the UK is very strong despite the comparably low ratings in the US. AdamDobay 16:20, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Show Changes section started

Okay, I wrote up the notable changes I'm aware of. It is late and English is not my first language so please forgive me if I left any grammar mistakes or repeated words too often ('notably' and 'debate' comes to mind). I did not have time to look up the exact references, will add some for the Shannen Doherty departure (without quotes it's not really good). If you have comments or think something does not belong, I'm open for discussion. AdamDobay 22:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Beginning changes

I have removed Gonzalo's extension of the "most famous jump the shark moment" section for multiple reasons: 1. Constance M. Burge did not leave at the end of the third season, but after the second season, and continued to work as consultant until the end of the fourth season. 2. Burge's leaving is not the most famous jump the shark moment as it is evident to a much, much smaller group of people. Shannen Doherty's departure, on the contrary, got the most press in the history of the series. Also please consider replacement of another change by you Gonzalo, which is changing the phrase "surviving jump the shark moments" to "continuing despite etc.", as this phrase to me implies that the series should have stopped after these moments. With writing the word "surviving" I was trying to imply that the series has always kept its high, keeping its place as the, if I remember correctly, fifth most rated The WB show. As "surviving" may not be the best word I propose another, but better suiting and NPOV phrase. AdamDobay 23:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Kept its high? A show can jump the shark and still go on for years. Doesn't mean it survived.--Gonzalo84 02:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that sentence is a bit garbled. I was trying to say that the show always kept a relatively high rating. The question is what do we mean by survival? I mean that despite the changes some have said to have been bad, the show been on, it hasn't really been struggling except for the renewal fiasco last year from the part of TheWB. AdamDobay 22:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

Do we really need all this trivia? Especially the much trivia added today and all of which I've seen exactly worded like this on another site already? I removed some which talked about subjects already in the article, I wonder what to do with the rest, it's pretty miscellaneous. AdamDobay 22:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi, Im an unregistered user, and Im the one that added the trivia for all that. If there is any problem, you can move it to the Charmed Trivia section at the bottom of the page. :)

Budget cuts

I removed the entry about Phoebe's levitation being taken out for budget reasons. As I've worked in the film industry for many years and have a bit of an insight into effects and postproduction I can tell you that it's much cheaper to have someone pulled vertically up into the air using ropes (like they did with Phoebe's levitation) then to produce, for instance, orbing, which takes a lot of precision work on set and expensive post-production afterwards. AdamDobay 22:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Music of Charmed

I'm just browsing around here, and noticed that there isn't even a single mention of the "Featuring" of music that was done in Charmed. Charmed, together with Dawson's Creek basically introduced this practice to the TV series at large. Someone interested in adding something on this? The DJ 01:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Closing Doors

From the article: In season seven, the doors closed on an empty house shortly after Prue's power inspired victory, the door was telekinetically closed by the (unseen) ghost of Prue. Where did the supposition that this was Prue's ghost come from? I haven't seen this episode since it originally aired almost a year ago, but I certainly don't remember any of the characters saying "Hey look, it's Prue's (unseen) ghost!" or anything of the sort. ;-) This strikes me as Original Research, but before removing it, I wanted to ask around to see if I'm the only one that missed this connection... Maelwys 16:24, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

While the sentence is a bit biased towards saying 'Prue' as many times as possible, the closing of doors is done by an invisible force with the sound of Prue's telekinesis. I'll reword that in a moment. AdamDobay 18:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

External links and languages removed?

Looking at the changes of the past days, I wonder why the entire External links section was removed, along with a number of links to other language pages. Is this justified by anything? AdamDobay 18:13, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

My guess is that it was justified by the fact that somebody just wanted to have fun. I looked back a couple days, it was done by the same guy that randomly inserted "xmen" into the article. Looks like when xmen was fixed, we missed the fact that the categories, most of the languages, and the footer template had also been removed. I've restored all of these now. Maelwys 20:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. AdamDobay 22:31, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality Discussion

The neutrality of this page has been disputed, with the reason: I don't think the page is particularly neutral, and judging by the discussion page, I'm not the only one.

I'd like to invite the user 82.40.105.82 (talk • contribs) who initiated this dispute to provide any details of where the neutrality of the page is in dispute so that we can make sure to clean that up ASAP. As far as the alligation that "judging by the discussion page, I'm not the only one" I also wouldn't mind seeing examples of that, because the only discussion I can find along those lines is related to the now-removed "Criticisms" section.

I'd also like to point out for future reference that, I think that if there is a problem with the article Neutrality, we'd be much better served discussing it here and cleaning it up quickly (as we've done with any other problems) instead of just plugging in a "Neutrality" flag and leaving it at that with no discussion.
-- Maelwys 16:21, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm seriously against the neutrality tag. It implies that there are serious problems with the article. Most problems related to the article were along the lines of length, grammar and structure, and most have already been sorted out. I'm removing the tag until someone can provide an accurate reason for putting one out. AdamDobay 16:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Though I don't have the sources, I clearly remember reading articles from TV critics (TV guide I think) that critized the show as little more than eye candy. There are lots of articles for movies and shows in which criticism against the show/movie is included (like Harry Potter promoting ocultism, Buffy's Caleb being an attack on Christianity). And we don't have the fans removing such portions. Admirers of the show are attracted by the romance, other people who enjoy supernatural shows are dissapointed by stuff like repeated plots (like the demon bent on gathering powers and support to rule the underworld) and disregard for stuff like "magic must be kept in secret", though characters always teleport in broad daylight and in areas filled with people or where they can easily be seen (like the Elders atop Golden Gate Bridge).--Gonzalo84 03:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anyone could see the characters atop Golden Gate, as the top of the structure is more than 200 metres (650 feet) above the level where the cars roam. So unless you were explicitly looking with explicit equipment, you wouldn't really see. I'm working on the show changes section, I will soon get to the continuity things after I can trace who left, when and why. AdamDobay 13:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Maybe I'm just irked because I'm a bigger Buffy afficionado than I am a fan of Charmed (while also loving the show, I'll admit that it's my "guilty pleasure"), but I don't think that some of the opening paragraphs are particularly netural:
"The show has been the longest survivor in its generation of supernatural shows such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel or Roswell. Charmed has many times been noted for its mixing of multiple genres (from horror and fantasy to comedy and even soap), as well as its effectively surviving a number of jump the shark-moments, most famously the departure of one of the leading actresses at the end of season three."
To me, that seems to be bigging up the show slightly. The way it currently reads, one who wasn't familiar with Buffy or any of the other shows mentioned might be lead to believe that Charmed is the better show. True, Buffy lasted one season less than Charmed, but one could effectively debate that Buffy remained strong throughout all seven seasons, whilst Charmed has suffered a drastic decline in quality and ratings. Buffy also wasn't cancelled, unlike Charmed; instead, the creators and Sarah Michelle Gellar admirably decided to quit while they were ahead. So, as you can see from this perspective, that paragraph doesn't give all the information and gives the deceitful impression that Charmed survived longer because it was the best supernatural show of its time (when the cast and crew decide they no longer want to go on, it's a slightly different outcome than becoming so bad that the network decides to axe your show. There are two different interpretations of "surviving" one could derive from this.)
Also, it could be argued that the show didn't survive the jump-the-shark moments. The show suffered a decline in quality after some of these (increasingly cheesy, over-the-top storylines, etc.), despite the show continuing on.
Just my two cents. ;) Binthemix 19:30, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Binthemix, I agree after reading your take on it that it could be interpreted in more than one way. My including of that paragraph wished to express a temporal "survival", as Charmed is indeed the last existing supernatural show from that half-decade and from that generation of supernatural shows, ie. those which still experimented with the balancing of personal and magical storylines (started in the previous generation by shows such as Lois & Clark) as well as searching for and expanding the limits of the genres they participated in (including Charmed's half-season wandering into fantasy-dominated themes, as well as Buffy's experiment with the musical episode). The next generation of similar series, including, in my view, Smallville, are much more established on the balance of storylines as well as on genre limits, thus belonging to a different era.
This, in a nutshell, was what I was trying to imply by "last in the generation", thus I did not mean for that paragraph to imply that Charmed was different quality than Buffy or Angel, only that it is the last from that era. I will try to reword the paragraph so it doesn't sound POV. AdamDobay 21:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
Two more notes. From interviews with Brad Kern and the female leads it is clear that they have decided on finishing the show this year since the end of Season 7 last May, as they have referred to this as early as last summer.
Another note is the jump the shark moments. I have included "effectively" into the survival of the jump the shark moments because the fact that the show has lived way past the initial jump the shark moment of Doherty leaving. As I see it after having read thousands of fan feedback in the past years, most jump the shark moments have not caused a general disappointment in viewers, more rather divided fans into pro-change and con-change groups (eg. in the case of Doherty leaving, many fans condemn Milano and McGowan to this day for the change while others have welcomed McGowan as a refresher of the programme).
It can also easily be argued that ratings have decreased since the show's move to the highly competitive Sunday night. It also needs to be mentioned that another rating-killer may very well have been The WB's advertising from Season 6, often referred to as ridiculously sex-centered, eg. when an episode of season 7, in which the protagonists were to face being held responsible for the deaths they have caused, was promoted under the heading "I slept with a zombie" and with a non-existing plot (whether the character Phoebe has had sex with a zombie).
So all in all, the show's "general decline in quality" is not an established fact, it is not even an overwhelmingly present opinion. AdamDobay 21:49, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I reworded the beginning, taking out "effectively" from the jump the shark moments, and replaced "longest survivor" with "last". See if it sounds less like a quality comparison now. AdamDobay 21:58, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, it reads much better now. :) Thanks for taking my comments on board.

DVD Cover Art

There seems to have been some debate over whether to use the Region 2 and 4 cover art or Region 1. I was one of those in favour of using Region 2 and 4, although that might be slightly biased seeing as I'm from the UK and think our covers are nicer. I experimented with the Cover Art table to see if I could incorporate all covers into it, and I think I came up with a solution to satisfy everyone. What do you think? Binthemix 17:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Good Job!

Deletion Alert

Just want to let everybody know if you haven't seen it already, that List of magic spells in Charmed is currently marked for deletion. Follow this link to add your comments to the discussion on whether or not it should be removed. -- Maelwys 16:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

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