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[edit] Random

Sir Charles is a Japanese national? Is this correct? 75.26.175.190 07:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions

Things about Barkley that could be added: AN IMPORTANT AND CRUCIAL THING IS MISSING: A LIST OF THE YEARS THAT HE PLAYED BASKETBALL AT AUBURN UNIVERSITY. HE ALSO LEAD THE SOUTHEASTERN CONFERENCE IN REBOUNDING ALL THREE OF THESE YEARS.

You don't think that this is important? For a Nobel Prize Winner, where he went to undergraduate school, and when, is an important fact, and lists have been compiled of which winners went to which universities and in which countries.

  • one of the best rebounders ever, despite his lack of height (listed as 6-6, but about 1-2 inches less in reality)
  • in the list of NBA's top 50 players
  • known for his quotable quotes and unquotable quotes, many of them politically incorrect (such as the one on role models etc)
  • he wrote a couple of books (can't remember the titles now).

--Colemanyee 03:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Mug shot

the mug shot doesn't really look like him. is that really a reputable source?Xwoodandwater 06:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Message

I put that he has shown dislike for the Dallas Mavericks. This information is 100% true, for he has shown disdain for the Mavs many times during "Inside the NBA". Does everyone agree? 71.96.11.37 16:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

I would not classify it as disdain. He has stated his opinion that the Mavericks do not play good defense and that they are not a championship team. In any case, even if this constitutes disdain, it is certainly not "for reasons unknown," as he has repeatedly stated his problems with the Mavericks. Also, such a minor detail is not important in the life of Charles Barkley, especially without any quote. He has, at one time or another, said that over half the teams in the NBA "stink." Dastle 22:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I understand what you mean, but he seems to constantly pick on them, constantly single them out, despite the fact there are many teams in the league,"worse" than they are. It is disdain, because numbers show that the Mavericks are a good (not excellant) defensive team, and he refuses to admit that (that also proves it is for reasons unknown). Some say it is because of racism, but I think it goes beyond that. I do not desire to repost this info, I only wanted to make this statement, because it seemed true. As for a quote: (Reggie Miller) " I disagree, Charles, the Mavericks are a solid team. I never said they would beat the Spurs, I simply think they are a pretty good team." (Charles) " Tell me, Miller, who's side are you on?" (Reggie Miller) " I'm only saying that the Mavericks are a good team, I am not on their side!" (Charles) " Yeah, well you better not be!!!" --(December 1, 2006, during the Mavs/Spurs halftime report )(I have more quotes if you want them!) 71.96.11.37 23:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The main problem with your claim is that you said he didn't like Dallas for "apparently no reason." If you are going to say that he dislikes Dallas, at least be accurate and show a neutral, two sided account. This is a good read: http://journals.aol.com/sportzassassin/SPORTZASSASSINSSPORTSJOURNAL/entries/1248
Take this quote from the article:
"Hey first of all, I love Mark Cuban. He ain't never gonna know more about basketball than me. I ain't never gonna have as much money as him, I'll never know more about computers, but he'll live to be 1000, and he'll never know more than us two about basketball. If he knew that, he wouldn't have put that little "soft cake" team together."
I still feel there isn't evidence that he dislikes the Mavericks (he just thinks they aren't a good defensive team).
Also, my suggestion is that if you feel that this is important enough to go into an encyclopedia article, which is up for debate, you should at least put such a statement in a broader perspective. For example, the only reason that this is a story of interest is that Charles is now a popular NBA reporter on TNT. His current occupation, in my opinion, deserves more space on the article than it receives, as it is very important to basketball today (he has drawn more fans to the game with his charisma). The dispute between him and Cuban is a result of the fact that he is a no-nonsense reporter who speaks his mind (although such semi-speculative statements probably don't belong in an encyclopedia). Note also there is more to the story than meets the eye: Mark Cuban is well known for desiring heavy media attention. Many feel that Cuban's statements about Charles are to get more attention in the press.
Dastle 02:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I have no need to repost this, I was only thinking since he usually talks about the Mavericks in a negative light, that I should say something. Again the reason I said, "for reasons unknown" (I didn't mean, "for no apparent reason"!), is that he constantly blames the team for something they are not guilty of. Take defense, for example, though his "bad defense" statements made sense in previous years, the Mavericks are notably playing improved defense, and he will not admit even that. Also, he usually makes false statments, that contradicts the truth. For instance, he made the statement, "the reason the Mavericks do not blow out every bad team they play, is because they do not play defense, and that allows teams to stay in the game." He prides the Spurs and Pistons as being "good" defensive teams, but if you look at their games, the Pistons and Spurs, have lost to (most recently for the Pistons, the Atlanta Hawks), or marginally defeated sub-par teams. This in turn debuncts what Charles said, "good defensive teams blow out every bad team they play". It is like he uses the "bad defense" exuse, to shield his true beliefs about the Mavericks. Again, I have no desire to repost this, what you have told me, makes plenty of sense. Heck, I am not even a Mavericks fan, I only wonder why the guy gives the team such a hard time! Forgive me if I wasted your time! 71.96.11.37 15:04, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Under "Politics" it has been noted that the Alabama state constitution requires candidates to be residents for seven years. Since Barkley is not now an Alabaman, he cannot run for Governor until 2014 at the earliest. See <http://www.madisoncountyrecord.com/articles/2006/08/10/opinion/oped2.txt>

[edit] Spitting on the girl

Nothing about him spitting on that 10 year old girl or whatever during a 76ers games??? That's gotta be one of the most historic examples of bad athetlicship short of running up to the stands to accost someone. --Jpawloski 20:36, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

AFAIK, that was a COMPLETE ACCIDENT!! I believe he was trying to spit on someone who deserved it. I mean, no one in their right mind would intentionally spit on a child!

Also, during the 1992-93 season he jumped over the scorers table to chase down a referee who was trying to head to the lockerroom without incident.

He's somewhat of a controversial figure and It would do this article justice for someone to make a small section on that.
--Dastle 23:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Inadvertently spit on a little girl, sitting courtside, when he meant to hit a heckler; later became friends with the child and her family (http://www.answers.com/topic/charles-barkley)

I'd be selling that spit on ebay. --Savethemooses 05:27, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weight

Ok, I'm guessing he never actually weighed more than 900 pounds during his career. Can someone with the proper info correct this? SOMEONE SHOULD RIGHT ABOUT HIS ANUAL SICKNESS AND VOICE CHANGES

[edit] Chaos Dunk

There is rare footage on the flea market circuit that reportedly shows Barkley performing his patented technique, the forbidden Chaos Dunk. If anyone has further info on where I can obtain such tapes please post here. 65.33.170.190 05:24, 5 December 2006 (UTC)Barkley_Charles_#1_fan

[edit] Sir Charles

There is no reference in this article to 'Sir Charles' and the orrigin of this nick name. Seems to be a rather large piece of missing biographical information.

[edit] "Harkened" on rumors?

What does "he harkened on those rumors in Space Jam" mean? Dumpendebat 02:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Barkley's Height

I know that he is listed as 6' 6" on nba.com but nba.com doesn't always tell the truth. There are many websites which say that Barkley is at 6' 5". Search it on google. So Please do not revert my edit. Thanks. MM 14:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I took my time to search informations about Charles' height and I must say, there are different versions about his height. On the one hand, he is listened as 6' 5", on the other hand as 6' 6". His height is rather involved to verify. Are there any solutions? MM 14:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Michael Jordan is definitely one inch taller than Charles Barkley. Well, is there a way to contact nba.com? Because 6' 6" for Charles Barkley is not right. MM 14:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

The NBA has always listed players taller than they really are. Nate Robinson is listed as 5'9, but is closer to 5'6-5'7. It does not matter, nba.com receives their information from a players listed playing height, while in the NBA. You're assuming his height based on a picture, and uncreditable resources. Yes, many sites list him from 6'4 to 6'6. Barkley makes note of his controversial playing height in all his published books. Players, and announcers alike have always joked about a players supposed playing height or weight. The UserBox for all nba players on Wikipedia is designed to reflect their playing stats, and Barkley's playing stats, with regard to his height, has always been listed, in his 16 year career, 6'6'. A note on his height has been made in the subsection titled, early life and college career. If you want to make an added note in the introductory paragraph, then I believe that would be best. However, I do not think footnotes or skeptisms have priority over a players listed playing height/Billed Height, as noted by the NBA. The UserBox was designed to reflect a players Billed/Playing profile. Zodiiak 20:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
If other NBA players would be listed one inch over their real height then I don't know why they have listed Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley as 6' 6". Michael is definitely one inch taller than Charles and I think that Wikipedia doesn't need to get compared with other websites. Wikipedia is an own website, what shows important informations and I think that 6' 5" should be right for Charles Barkley. Yeah, he is really that tall. Well, also celebheights.com says that Charles is about 6' 5". I could add 6' 5" as Charles current height. MM 08:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia is it's own website, however, it relies on Sourced information. For NBA Players, besides published books and articles, it relies heavily on creditable sites; such as Nba.com. I'm not going to get into a Big Edit War for something as simple as Height, but if this Article is to ever achieve a better Grade than B, the "Real/Billed" note will have to be changed. I've been working on editing this article to bring it's grade up from B to FA status. It'll take sometime, but I think it's worth the effort. Anyone who wants to help, is greatly welcomed ;) Zodiiak 21:10, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Morris Munroe, we are here for verifiability, not necessarily truth. And what is truth? Your version of the truth or someone else's? May I advise you read Wikipedia's verifiability guidelines. It pretty much states that if you cannot back up your information, don't put it in - regardless of your convictions. --Downwards 21:46, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Please see the picture above. Charles is definitely one inch shorter that Michael. Is there a way to solve this problem? MM 11:07, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
The article makes note of his actual height, probably being in the vicinity of 6'4". It's stated in his College career and Player Profile sections, and cited utilizing his old nba.com player bio. I hope this is satisfactory enough ;) Zodiiak 19:29, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm listening Charles as 6' 5" again because once he was listed as 6' 4" and then as 6' 6". If you wanna hear my oppinion, Charles is exactly one inch shorter than Michael Jordan. And that's certainly not a vandalism. MM 18:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I propose we meet a mutual consensus on the issue. I've already clearly explained why he is listed as 6'6" and so has Downwards. I've also pointed out that we have made several comments regarding his actual height throughout the article. If you cannot provide something which has precedence over nba.com (verifiability), then please do not edit his height. It is not considered vandalism, but it is considered Unintentional misinformation. From your talk page, it seems you have a history of making these type of edits, and I ask that you refrain from adding this misinformation, especially after we have so clearly explained our positions, according to the rules set forth by Wikipedia. Zodiiak 20:58, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The correct listing would be 6'6, as to keep things simple we go by NBA listings. Also we would never go by a photo of one person atanding next to another, that's just silly and absurd. Quadzilla99 19:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I've already told you, that Wikipedia doesn't need to get compared with other websites! You can see www.celebheights.com if you don't trust me! The old wwe.com listed Charles as 6' 4" and the new one as 6' 6". And 6' 5" is in the middle. Do not revert this edit one more time! MM112 10:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia's three-revert rule I have reported your name. You continue to revert and edit after discussion, and general consensus. In addition, you continue to create new user names in order to to revert to the same edit. You're annoying. Zodiiak 18:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Just wondering, is the fact that Barkley himself wrote in one of his books that his height is closer to 6'4" not a verifiable source? I've just read this article for the first time and it seemed odd to have one section stating that his height as 6'6" with no further comment and then a section later in the article saying that his height is commonly wrongly stated as 6'6". I think there can be little dispute that he is NOT 6'6" tall, as this appears to be a matter of record (his own stated figure for his own height is surely more likely to be correct than NBA.com, especially when it is known that this source is consistently wrong on this type of information). Surely Wikipedia should choose its sources based on accuracy rather than popularity? I've not changed anything in the article tho, as this seems to be a sore spot with some people! If the value for Barkley's height in the sidebar is not changed then it should carry a note that this is not his real height, this is his NBA stat heght or it is disputed as his real height and should point readers to the text for further explanation - the Hulk Hogn article has his heght stat as "Billed Height: 6'7" " and mentions in the text that tho his height is reported as 6'7" his actual heght is 6'4" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan this seems like a good approach to take with this and all similar cases - 6'6" is his "billed" or "stated" heght by the NBA, tho by his own admision Barkley's actual height is slightly over 6'4" (he said its closer to 6'4" than 6'6", thus it will be closer to 6'4" than 6'5" so it is more correct to state it as 6'4" than 6'5".Dex 01:01, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
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