Talk:Charlemagne to Attila the Hun
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bulümar/Balembir, Cham of the Huns -ca. 378/386,
m. Vadamarca Amalinga of the Ostrogoths'
royal family
Oktar, Cham of the Huns ca. 430
Mundzuk, K. Huns ca. 390-434
Bleda, K. Huns ca. 434-445
Attila, K.-Emp. Huns ca. 445-453, n. ca. 434,
anonyma, m. Ardaric, K. Gepids, fl. 440’s & 450’s
Thraustila, K. Gepids, fl. 460’s-480’s
Tarasich, K. Gepids, fl. 480’s-510’s
Elemund, K. Gepids, fl. 520’s-ca. 548,
m. [Amalinga], (dt. Theodoric the Great,
K. Ostrogoths ca. 475-525)
Austrigusa, m. Waccho, K. Lombards ca. 510-540
Waldrada of Lombardy, m. Garibald,
D. Lower Bavaria 553-595/6
Gundowald, D. Asti, ob. ca. 612
Aripert I, K. Lombards 653-661
Ita of Lombardy, m. Grimoald I, D. Benevento,
K. Lombards
Romoald I, D. Benevento 662-687, m. Theopranda
dt. Lupo, D. Friuli
[Gisele], ?m. Caribert, Ct. Laon, ob. pr. 762
Bertha au Grandpied de Laon,
m. Pepin, K. Franks 751-768, (infra)
Charlemagne, K. the Franks 768-800,
Holy Roman Emperor 800-814
-------*******-------
Waldrada of Lombardy, m. Garibald,
D. Lower Bavaria 553-595/6 (supra)
Gertrude, m. Carloman, Mayor of the Palace, ob. 615
Pepin of Landen, Maj. Pal. Austrasia,
D. Brabant, ob. 640, m. Ida
St. Begga, m. Ansiguises, Mar. The Scheldt, ob. 678
Pepin of Heristal, Maj. Pal., ob. 714, x. Alpaide
Charles Martel, Maj. Pal., ob. 741,
m. Chrotrudis de Trèves, dt. St. Líevin,
Bp. Trèves 698-704/13
Pepin, K. the Franks 751-768,
m. Bertha au Grandpied de Laon, (supra)
Charlemagne, K. the Franks 768-800,
Holy Roman Emperor 800-814
Smommss 07:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)smommssSmommss 07:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC) The lines from Attila (the Hun) to Charlemagne are not definite. They are, however, fairly probable. The only possible means of such a descent would be through the Kings of the Gepids. We know that A's dt. married the Gepid king, and that Waccho, (pronounced Wacko), married the Gepid princess. There is a possibility of a descent from A's sister, Brunehilde, who married a Burgundian king - BUT this depends on the historicity of Das Niebilungenleid, something which is not at all certain!
- Sorry, what is your source for connection between Ardaric and Elemund? A primary source for Ardaric being Attila's son-in-law is also more than welcome (although the Gepids were polygamous, you know). I'm not aware of any other source than Jordanes, and Jordanes' account is as follows... --Ghirla | talk 14:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
From Jordane's The Origins and Deeds of the Goths:
- from XXXVIII:
Amid them was conspicuous the army of the Ostrogoths under the leadership of the brothers Valamir, Thiudimer and Vidimer, nobler even than the king they served, for the might of the family of the Amali rendered them glorious. The renowned king of the Gepidae, Ardaric, was there also with a countless host, and because of his great loyalty to Attila, he shared his plans. For Attila, comparing them in his wisdom, prized him and Valamir, king of the Ostrogoths, above all the other chieftains. Valamir was a good keeper of secrets, bland of speech and skilled in wiles, and Ardaric, as we have said, was famed for his loyalty and wisdom.
- from L:
After they had fulfilled these rites, a contest for the highest place arose among Attila's successors,--for the minds of young men are wont to be inflamed by ambition for power,--and in their rash eagerness to rule they all alike destroyed his empire. Thus kingdoms are often weighed down by a superfluity rather than by a lack of successors. For the sons of Attila, who through the license of his lust formed almost a people of themselves, were clamoring that the nations should be divided among them equally and that warlike kings with their peoples should be apportioned to them by lot like a family estate. When Ardaric, king of the Gepidae, learned this, he became enraged because so many nations were being treated like slaves of the basest condition, and was the first to rise against the sons of Attila. Good fortune attended him, and he effaced the disgrace of servitude that rested upon him. For by his revolt he freed not only his own tribe, but all the others who were equally oppressed; since all readily strive for that which is sought for the general advantage. They took up arms against the destruction that menaced all and joined battle with the Huns in Pannonia, near a river called Nedao. There an encounter took place between the various nations Attila had held under his sway. Kingdoms with their peoples were divided, and out of one body were made many members not responding to a common impulse. Being deprived of their head, they madly strove against each other. They never found their equals ranged against them without harming each other by wounds mutually given. And so the bravest nations tore themselves to pieces. For then, I think, must have occurred a most remarkable spectacle, where one might see the Goths fighting with pikes, the Gepidae raging with the sword, the Rugi breaking off the spears in their own wounds, the Suavi fighting on foot, the Huns with bows, the Alani drawing up a battle-line of heavy-armed and the Heruli of light-armed warriors.
Finally, after many bitter conflicts, victory fell unexpectedly to the Gepidae. For the sword and conspiracy of Ardaric destroyed almost thirty thousand men, Huns as well as those of the other nations who brought them aid. In this battle fell Ellac, the elder son of Attila, whom his father is said to have loved so much more than all the rest that he preferred him to any child or even to all the children of his kingdom. But fortune was not in accord with his father's wish. For after slaying many of the foe, it appears that he met his death so bravely that, if his father had lived, he would have rejoiced at his glorious end. When Ellac was slain, his remaining brothers were put to flight near the shore of the Sea of Pontus, where we have said the Goths first settled. Thus did the Huns give way, a race to which men thought the whole world must yield. So baneful a thing is division, that they who used to inspire terror when their strength was united, were overthrown separately. The cause of Ardaric, king of the Gepidae, was fortunate for the various nations who were unwillingly subject to the rule of the Huns, for it raised their long downcast spirits to the glad hope of freedom. Many sent ambassadors to the Roman territory, where they were most graciously received by Marcian, who was then emperor, and took the abodes allotted them to dwell in. But the Gepidae by their own might won for themselves the territory of the Huns and ruled as victors over the extent of all Dacia, demanding of the Roman Empire nothing more than peace and an annual gift as a pledge of their friendly alliance. This the Emperor freely granted at the time, and to this day that race receives its customary gifts from the Roman Emperor.
