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[edit] Negi and Nekane's relationship

Anyone who has Del Rey's translation of volume 8 will have noticed that Nekane is now referred to as Negi's cousin, specifially as his uncle's daughter. Have checked against the original manga I can see where they are coming from:

  • Negi and everyone else (including Nagi) refers to Nekane as his sister (onee-chan), however in Japan it is common for children to refer to older girls as "Onee-chan", especially when they have grown up together like brother and sister as Negi and Nekane have.
  • The man Nekane refers to as her Father (Otou-san), Negi calls Uncle (Oji-san). Again, it is common for children to refer to men as Ojisan, however Nekane's surname is also Springfield which means she and Negi are related so it is highly plausible that Negi is being brought up by his acutal uncle. It is also possible that he adopted both of them, but in which case you might expect Negi to also refer to his as Father. Shiroi Hane 00:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, Nekane refers to the old man as Father (Otou-SAMA). But yes, it is highly plausible that the old man is related to Nagi, thereby allowing him to give the Springfield name to Nekane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.184.234.201 (talk • contribs) 9 November 2006.

[edit] The Magus

Can anyone point out where the information about the headmaster of the mage academy being Negi's grandfather comes from? Shiroi Hane 01:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I checked the first chapter, Negi calles him headmaster. I will check the other chapters when I have time. I think the person who added this comment mistaken Oji-san as grandfather. MythSearcher 02:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I highly suspect so, yes, but wanted to see if whoever added the info had some justification that I've missed. Shiroi Hane 03:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People from Wales

I'm not sure Stan belongs in the section; I can't find it written that the village Negi lived in till he was four was actually in Wales - it is however mentioned that Nekane went away to Wales to study and that she and Negi were taken to Wales after the village was destroyed suggesting that they weren't in Wales at the time. Shiroi Hane 01:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Wales" in this contex is simply referring to people from England whom are not in Nagi's band. We really should change the title to "England" and note in Negi's biography that he is Welsh, in blood and in rearing. -DCD 14:13, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

By England do you perhaps mean Great Britain? Shiroi Hane 00:27, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Character Comparisons

I can see a certain degree of validity in comparisons with Love Hina characters, since this was an earlier work by Akamatsu, but surely comparing to characters from Evangelion, Azumanga etc is ust unnecessary padding? Shiroi Hane 07:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that is neccessary at all because unless it is stated by the author, it is all personal view. MythSearcher 06:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
And I see there are even more comparisons creeping in... Shiroi Hane 19:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Monkey see, monkey do. --Billdorr 14:00, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Not to feign knowledge of Japanese naming customs, but a single letter change (Asuna-Asuka) in addition to physical resemblance cannot be mere coincidence. Comparisons are welcome, provided they are not a stretch. -DCD 14:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say that considering the nature of Japanese names (明日菜 vs アスカ), your point about the spellings being similar is just that, coincidental. In general, all anime and manga characters resemble each other to some degree. Personally, I'd say Asuna more closely resmbles Tsukino Usagi due to her hairstyle than Asuka Langley Soryu, but since neither Sailor Moon nor Evangelion is a Ken Akamatsu work, I think both comparisons are without merit unless it's been stated by Akamatsu somewhere that he did base the character design upon one of them. --Billdorr 00:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Err.. I just said something largely similar (in that it started with comparing the Japanese spellings and ended with all such comparisons being subjective) but it doesn't seem to have saved so I'll just add.. "what he said". Shiroi Hane 00:44, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Ara Ara, it seems that 169.233.26.169 is messing up some things, he deletes the comparisons with love hina and adds meaningless comparisons with other anime. In my opinion (and i think i share this), non-akamatsu comparisons may be obsolete, especially because some negima characters (purposefully) strongly resemble love hina characters, like #15 Setsuna Sakurazaki with Shinmei-techniques. Some characters are may be parodies of stock characters wich justifies ;) non-akamatsu comparisons, but i think that this is an overkill. Is this a vandalist or a hyperactive wikipedian? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gameslinder (talk • contribs) 07:55, 9 February 2006.
I'd say just delete all the comparisons. They add length in the paragraph without any reference. MythSearcher 07:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I've gone ahead and removed all the comparisons. Each girl has a picture there on the page showing us what they look like, so it's rather pointless to tell us who they resemble from other series. --Billdorr 23:40, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought they were ok to mention, but if your talking about lengh, then it alright to delete them. -- Psi edit 00:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


Okay, guys, I hate to say this but I did found some character comparisons by the author himself. In the last few pages of manga book 5, Yue was said to have the feeling of ROD (not any particular character). I don't know if it should be added in the article or not because there will be people who see this and will keep adding comparisons that the author did not say. (And we all suffered from it for quite some time now.) MythSearcher 03:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
If thats the case we can insist that sources be cited (as footnotes or whatever). Shiroi Hane 17:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I checked and found no other such comparisons in the manga book 1~11. I guess we can add it. MythSearcher 02:53, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sugestion for usage of new pictures

I have a collection of pictures of the class 2A/3A and staff (3.30mb) of Mahora hosted on my webserver, wich may be usefull. All the pictures are the same size (224x271 pixels), 36 pictures in total. I am not so good with wikipedia, and don't even have an account, so i'll leave it to one of you. The pictures are extracted (by me) from screenshots of the last anime episode, so i think it should have the Template Tv-screenshot. User:gameslinder 13:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I did once upload a collection of character images from the anime as I had an homogenous set (e.g. Image:Negima_Zazie_Rainyday.jpg) but most people (me included) seemed to prefer to standardize on colour images of the manga character designs (see the discussion on Talk:Negima). I now have colour versions of the mugshots from the class directory (e.g. Image:Negima_Sayo_Aizaka.jpg) but they're small and don't scan well and I keep forgetting to finish off the set ^^;. Shiroi Hane 23:59, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I found some pics that match the haircolors of the manga, only prolem is that it is not in fact from the manga, but from one of the negima games. Still looking for "official" manga pictures... (oh and i made an account...) Gameslinder 11:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Ladies and gentlemen, i found two more homogenous sets and hosted them. All images can be found at THIS PAGE. Shall we use one of these sets or keep the old pics? Gameslinder 08:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

The third one seems to be the best since it has least resolution but highest image quality. MythSearcher 15:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Look guys, I'd rather we use the best mugshots available. Here: Anime Version and Manga Version. Though I'd prefer the manga one. Now get to work! =P ZhangKhaiEn 01:20, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Uploaded new pictures and updated links. If anyone can find a better copyright description for the pictures or pictures with better copyright information (actually, I think the current pictures are creator released rights, but no official statement were written.), please update them. MythSearcher 03:24, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

It seems that the images have been replaced.... Ok to anyone who reads this PLEASE DELETE PREVIOUS IMAGES do not simply replace them. We wear down wikipedia's space by simply uploading new images and keeping unused ones. Im not blaming you MythSearcher. Im just trying to tell this to everyone. -- Psi edit 20:21, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The new images are gif rather than jpg, so I do not think that would work. Shiroi Hane 20:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

What not work? And Im talking about deleting the previous images. -- Psi edit 20:50, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I would like to note that Wikipedia periodically deletes images not featured on any particular article. Leave them uploaded or delete them now; it will make little difference in a week or so. Drake Christopher Dragon 13:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Users cannot delete images, we can replace them with a new image but only if the extension is the same (admittedly I've not tried overwriting a jpg with a gif but I shouldn't think it advisable), e.g. I did this with Nodoka's image, among others, not long ago. Shiroi Hane 22:41, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I tried to overwrite them, but it didn't work. I have to change the extension and end up uploading new files instead of overwritting old ones. User CANNOT delete any files, so we have to leave them up there. HOWEVER files without any article pointing to them will be deleted in 7 days by the system or admin. So before you talk about wearing the system, please try to know more about the system first. MythSearcher 02:31, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
MythSearcher, it appears you need to re-upload the face portrait of Kazumi Asakura from the video game website. I would do it myself, but just for continuity's sake, I think the original uploader should be responsible. We are all appreciative of your work. Now, if only someone could locate a graphic for Negi... Drake Christopher Dragon 18:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Query: why were neither of the comments acribed to Drake Christopher Dragon made from that account? Shiroi Hane 22:10, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Question, I see no problem on that picture, why upload it again? It is just broken because someone changed the name or moved it. MythSearcher 02:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
It was too troublesome to dig up my password. Also, MythSearcher, my apologies; the image was working fine earlier, then I noticed it was broken and reported it here. I'm not sure if you were responsible for fixing that link or not, but my thanks to whomever did. Drake Christopher Dragon 19:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mana's Guns

The list of Mana's guns is starting to seriously clog up the list.. would it not be better to move it to the bottom in a 'triva' section, or to the trivia section on the main article? Shiroi Hane 00:29, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

I'd say keeping them there is not a big problem, sicne it would be rather odd to have them at the bottom of the character list page and any other page. I thought of shortening the paragraphes a bit, but I guess the pictures will still take up a lot of space. MythSearcher 01:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
I personally don't see why paragraphs on each gun is needed at all. Each gun has it's own article elsewhere for details on them. I'd think a simple comment that each gun she uses is modified to be non-lethal to humans would summarize the bulk of that info. --Billdorr 07:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, shortening them would be a good idea, but my point is it will not clean out more spaces because the pictures will be the same size and take up same space. MythSearcher 08:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Then I guess the question is are the pictures necessary? They really make Mana's section stand out among all the others as the only one with more pictures than just the portrait. The way I look at it, it gives other editors the go ahead to start adding more pictures to the other girls to show off their own unique traits (e.g. Makie doing gymnastics, Eva as a vampire, Setsuna swordfighting, Nodoka reading a book, etc). --Billdorr 22:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, if it is possible, maybe the pictures could be given a link instead of having a thumbnail in the article. but I guess have pictures for the others' special items is a good idea, like Setsuna's nodachi, the cards' artifacts of the pactios (and maybe even the cards themselves). It is easier for the readers to tell what the paragraphes are describing. I guess we could create an article naming List of special items in Negima. MythSearcher 03:10, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
I Agree with MythSearcher about the Items in Negima page. We could use the page to list all the items (including pactio items, artifacts etc.) in negima. This shortens the huge negima main page and keeps the characters page more compact about the characters. I guess that we should make a link on the character page like: See also: List of items in negima#mana's_guns and for every character involved in a pactio a link See also: List of items in negima#pactio_nodoka or something like that... Gameslinder 13:12, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I have shorten the paragraphes a bit, and I will use here as an archive for the discussion like sentences.
M40A1
  This is a more debatable issue, since MOST bolt-action rifles look similar.
  However, by the dent in the handle shown in the begining of chapter 49,
  it resembles the original M40 that the USMC uses in the Vietnam War.
  Some claims this to be the Remington 700, but the 700 does not have a dent in the back
  (the only similarities between a Remington 700 and an M40 is the action.
  In fact, M40s are 700s modified by the USMC for use in the Vietnam War). 
  Note: Original M40s were built on Remingtons' model 700BDL actions, with one piece wooden stocks.
  They are literally boxed-magazine version of the 700.
Dual DE
  It was assumed that the calibre used could be the smaller .357 Magnums,
  the smallest Magnum calibre for a Magnum-class handgun.
PGM
  Note: this is the bigger brother to the Ultima Ratio (7.62 x 51 mm NATO).

[edit] formatting

I tried to make the page look nicer, but kinda failed. It is a little bit better for identifying which paragraph links to which picture now, however, anyone who got more skills in formatting wiki articles could help out a bit. I think the character pictures should align to the top instead of the middle of the table cell. MythSearcher 06:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I have done a little bit of clean up and this way the character pictures will fit with more description. I use 1280x1024 to edit, please tell me if they look good in smaller resolution screens. MythSearcher 03:10, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Haruna's nickname

I see that there is a link saying see below. However I do not see anything regarding this below the article. Is it still on the main Negima article? I do not have time today to go through and find it, if no one fixes this, I will do it on Monday. MythSearcher 08:03, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] recent edits of 12.153.145.5

Some of them is useful info, but so seems to be really not belonging to the article. Spoiler might be ok, but do we really have to tell the whole story in the character page(or any other page)? Should we keep the paragraph length limited so that it will not be a text rewrite of the manga? MythSearcher 01:36, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Konoka and Setsuna

This article is, for some reason, extremely dismissive on the possibility that Konoka and Setsuna would be a pairing. While the first volumes might suggest that, the later ones start painting a completely different picture, for instance, a villain uses an illusion of a naked Konoka to knock shy Setsuna out. Events like this can be found in most of the recent volumes.

On top of that, the anime(which has, after all, been authorized by the author) goes further, and pretty much draws them as a couple, including kisses.

It is doubtful the article should be as dismissive as it is, since while Setsuna said that she likes Negi somewhat, she is never portrayed to waste a thought about the young mage(not even in the recent cosplay arc) and instead reacts in stereotypical couple fashion to Konoka.

This is kinda against wiki's policy on personal research. Also, anime and manga have different story lines. MythSearcher 23:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
They are almost a couple but not quite. The article appears slightly biased towards Negi/Setsuna in Setsuna's section considering the pairing is not as obvious as the section makes it seem. There is also no proof her feelings for him are growing.
They (Konoka and Setsuna) could technically considered a pairing based on the fact they have a duet (Released limited addition at a concert)in which the lyrics lead one to draw the conclusion they are a couple. Mentioning that could be an good thing to do.
Thought I say they're almost a couple because at times it seems slightly onesided, (Manga only) leaning towards Setsuna being the only one with romantic feelings (during the tournment Setsuna was sort of gazing at Konoka who responded to this by asking her if there was anything on her face).
Oh and by the way in the anime they only kiss once. The Um Swordthing 22:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
If you think that the article said something biasing, then change it, be my guest. However, it is not a good idea to say what is not said in the series or any official documentation. MythSearcher 03:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
I deleted a few lines in Setsuna's section I thought were biased (and one that I couldn't figure out what it meant). If anyone disagrees feel free to restore how it was before The Um Swordthing 22:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Someone vandalized Setsuna's profile, changing words and sentences making Setsuna and Konoka out to be lovers; I deleted the affected sentences in question but I'm not sure what they originally read, so someone will have to fix that if necessary TwilightxPrince
I have reverted it back to an earlier edit, not only the setsuna section got vandalised, the Yue section was also vandalised. You can revert an edit by looking in the history and comparing them. click on the link on top of the editor and you can view the page of the older version. click Edit then to start with an older version to edit. This method is good in determining which edit is still good and which is vandaled. MythSearcher 08:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I removed the line "(but some doubt has been cast on this, as Setsuna showed that she is attracted to Negi, and Konoka has also shown some interest in the child teacher)" from Konoka's profile, because there is absolutely no canon evidence to support this claim. The only case where Setsuna shows affection for Negi is when she thanks him for bringing her closer to Konoka and Asuna, and a scene of interaction in chapter 82 has her admit her attraction to Konoka outright. She states herself there that while she respects Negi, she has someone else she likes(The wording being that "she has her ojou-sama in any case", as opposed to liking Negi).
Furthermore, in chapter 108 and onward, Evangeline tries to make Setsuna decide to chose between "her happiness and her sword". Evangeline even goes into detail what she means - either protecting Konoka, or being with Konoka(her claim is that Negi could protect the two of them would Setsuna choose that). Setsuna, after several troubled pages, instead decides for both happiness and sword.
Notice that she chose the two things Evangeline mentioned(protecting and being with Konoka), and did not even think of Negi herself.

That is simple canon evidence.

As for Konoka - even that is speculative at best, simply because she acts to Negi the same way she acts to everyone else.
Aversion to different sexualities should stay out of wikipedia, as should pointless speculation. Who Konoka likes is pure speculation, who Setsuna likes is not, because the author has Setsuna admit that outright while at the same time dismissing Negi. 22 July 2006
Not quite completely true, as the statement Eva did not specifically state for Konoka, rather for Negi, but in any case, there is still a degree of interpretation here.
That is wrong. The only time Negi is mentioned in this dialogue is for protecting Setsuna and her ojousama should Setsuna chose every day happyness. Any other mentions of people are to Konoka. In fact, this is not even the first time Eva makes a mention of Setsunas liking. A battle earlier, she even uses this to threaten Setsuna, refer to chapter 102. Notice that there, Eva does not chose Negi either as the person who would watch the 'punishment'. It is complete speculation that Setsuna does *not* have a romantic interest in Konoka.
There is also the song "Sei Naru Sora no Shita de", performed at the Kodansha Character Festival at the 16th July 2005. An official duet, for the characters and performed by their seiyuu, which contains a particular little line that is best translated as 'Now I feel like I can yell "I love you" in my loudest voice', a line for Setsuna. The song further makes references to being bound together by a red string (a powerful romantic symbol, refer to the 'red string' article on wikipedia), always being together even after being reborn, and only having eyes for each other. No romantic feelings? Kodansha's song writers beg to differ.
In the end, however, the author's intentions supersedes everyone elses...
A bodyguard/yojimbo that is seen by their "watch" getting humiliated or helpless in danger is dishonor. Of course that punishment would be worse than having Negi see it by himself. Also, the Kodansha songwriter for "Sei Naru Sora no Shita de" is not named Ken Akamatsu. It's Kodama Saori. Even if Saori-san begs to differ, Akamatsu's hand controls the fate of the manga and anything in it.ou might want to keep them out of an encyclopaedia, because there is no use in tainting the information just to confirm to your world view. For the same reason, it is illegitimate were I
That is your intrepetation, which is not true to what canon material states. You can chose to intrepete it differently for your goals, but that does not make it more valid. Fact is, in every rendition of Negima to date, namely an OVA, two anime series, and one manga, Setsuna is portrayed, in various degrees, as being very much in love with Konoka. In the OVA, for example, this is shown by having Setsuna nosebleed due to/check out Konoka's sparely covered body repeatedly(three cases in total, in one case she shows an exceptional interest in Konoka's behind). In the first anime, refer to the last episodes, in the second anime, she even has a short fantasy scene of herself and Konoka in a highly romantic setting involving kissing, which is triggered by the mere suggestion of an indirect kiss. You can, again, chose to ignore that on purpose, which does not change what is actually stated in the anime. I know that it is en vogue in anime fandom to try to explain homosexuality away, especially if it is female homosexuality, but that bias has no place on a wiki. If you do have personal problems with such lifestyles, yto edit the entry in a manner that claims that two random females, say Evangeline and Chachamaru, are a couple. If it is not canon, it has no place in here. What is shown in canon and is of importance, however, has to be here. And that includes Setsuna's feelings. They are undeniable canon and as blatant as feelings of love can be. Were she male, there would not be a single doubt about it - the usual male character in a romantic situation actually shows less signs than Setsuna does.
And the statement here is no less an interpretation than any other, as stated many times, unless unequivocally stated or demonstrated, categorical statements like this are remain only heresay. The only one to truly judge canonicity is Ken Akamatsu, not Saori or anyone else. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aldis90 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC).
The anime and the recent manga were born out of the minds which are not Akamatsu's. If you claim those to be canon to THIS specific Negima! manga (which is the original brainwork of Akamatsu), then you are in the wrong. They are canon on their own, but not on the original manga as it is unsure in the original manga about Setsuna and Konoka, which is part of the appeal. Yours are also interpretations of two animes that diverted from Akamatsu's plot and also of a recent manga that seems to divert from the original plot as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.184.234.201 (talk) 09:43, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
My point has always been that Akamatsu's work is the core canon, and everything else (animes and derivative mangas) are merely tangential at most to his work and consequently irrelevant to that. --Aldis90

[edit] Chachamaru's profile

It's said that Chachamaru is the latest in android designs when she is classified as gynoid. Also, those maids in the resort that consider Chachamaru as a younger sister is probably just like Chachazero, in that instead of them being technological, they are purely magical.It IS a magical resort so having robotic maids would be useless when they can actually be part of Evangeline's own magical puppet army.

[edit] Anime vs Manga in character section

Could it be possible that we separate the anime pactio items and differences as trivia in each characters' profile, just like with Asuna's profile? It would make it easier to read as well as the fact that the manga and the first anime will probably differ in respect of pactio items due to the massive pactio-zation of the first anime's final episode. Misora and Yue's pactios proves this point. Also, placing the seiyuu/VAs in the anime trivia part will make it less cluttered when the profile is only talking about a character.

[edit] Asuna's "Kanka" ability

I editted Asuna's profile, adding to her abilities that she is able to use Kanka. My evidence to support this is that she used Kanka both during the tournament when fighting Setsuna, and when she was on that date with Takamichi; Takamichi even commented, saying, "Kanka, huh?", or something to that extent.

Anyway, if anyone disagrees with this, please comment here.

[edit] Rename?

Since this page no longer lists all the characters in the series, I suggest that this article, as well as the sister (16-31) article, be renamed to indicate that it specifically lists the members of Mahora Academy Girls' Junior High Class 3-A. SAMAS 22:00, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

This page has never listed all the characters in the series, it was moved from Characters of Negima to Characters of Negima (1-15) when the other characters were moved to another page and the class list was split in two and in it's current form has always listed students 1-15, hence then name (it did also include Negi until today, but I am trying to reorganise the character pages a bit at the moment so moved his mini bio elsewhere). Shiroi Hane 22:28, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
What I have been considering is moving this page to the more accurate and clear title of Characters of Negima (students 1-15) (and the same with 16-31). Shiroi Hane 17:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] About Setsuna

Where is it exactly in the manga or in Akamatsu's interviews that declare her as "the most skilled fighter in Mahora Academy"? I can read Japanese well so if someone could tell me where to find it, I'd appreciate confirming this bit of info which seems a bit too headstrong a declaration.

[edit] which image should i put

which type of image should i put on the character 1-15 and 16-31?

Image:S16.gif or

Image:S27.gif or

[edit] About the edit war going on

Please see Talk:Characters of Negima (16-31) MythSearchertalk 17:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

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