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Contents 1 Just a small note 2 Fan Characters? 3 Fairy annoyance 4 Owl 5 Kokiri Twins and Know-It-All brothers 6 Comment 7 Termina Counterparts 8 Hylian Loch, a Character? 9 Phantom Ganon 10 Umm... 11 Gohma 12 hmmmm 13 Sheik/Zelda debate 14 Sorry, try again. 15 Pronunciations 16 King Zora 17 A few questions 18 Fado 19 Darunia's Son 20 Zelda II town names 21 Bongo Bongo's Origin

[edit] Just a small note

The article gives away fairly important plot points; I dunno if someone could put a disclaimer?--Pyg 01:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

There used to be one on each LoZ page. Most were removed. Jaxad0127 02:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan Characters?

There are certian characters that have never been mentioned before in any Zelda franchise, so I have renoved them. The characters removed are as follows: Arianna Mitaka Nito Julian Xavior Valian

They were all added by the IP 70.161.245.204.

[edit] Fairy annoyance

I just removed a sentence that declared Tatl to be "more annoying than Navi" for POV reasons. On the other hand, I think it may be worth noting the fan culture aspect to the fairies, in that many people -do- find them annoying. I'd have added this myself, except all my attempts at wording it came out awkward or otherwise bad. Anyone care to help? (For the record, I personally found Navi to be far more annoying than Tatl. I could ignore Tatl's bell jingle, but Navi's "Hey Listen!" get on my nerves REALLY fast. I also though Tatl had more personality with the whole "rude" thing. But that's one man's personal opinion.) Fieari July 3, 2005 23:44 (UTC)

I agree. Tatl over Navi any day. :-) Deco 4 July 2005 00:04 (UTC)

Ah, bull. At least Navi wasn't a rude, pranskter little b!tch like Tatl.

Oh yeah Tatl is much less annoying but Navi will always hold a special place in my heart simply because i grew attached to her over the game.--NobleServent2 17:14, 26 July 2006 (UTC)NobleServent2

What if we say some think Tatl is more anoying, while others think Navi is more so. Jaxad0127 17:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I always thought that Navi was in love with Link, and Link loved her equally, so wouldn't that make her a more important character? He didn't go searching for Tatl, after all.

Hi. There is a sentence in the article that Navi is set to return in LoZ:TPH. Could someone please provide a link? Thanks. 15.33, January 15 2007.

[edit] Owl

I always believed that the owl (Kaepora Gaebora) and Rauru are one and the same. There is a gossip stone that says the the owl is "someone familiar in disguise" (or something along those lines). And at certain points the owl turns its head upside down, which then give its face an appearance that is quite simular to Rauru's face.

There's rumours and theories that state that it might be true, but there is no solid evidence that I know of that firmly establishes this as fact. However, there's nothing that disproves it. It inevitably reduces down to speculation. The Missing Link 02:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Or deduce from what we know about Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora. Rauru is the Sage of Light, and he preserved Link in the Temple of Time. Kaepora Gaebora is his guardian, the one that helps him in each quest he's in. So, by these things alone we can say that both Rauru and Kaepora Gaebora have a supportive interest in Link's wellfare. However, it begs the question why would Rauru need to transform into an owl just to (passively) help Link? Ereinion 06:26, September 9, 2005 (UTC)

Ganon would probably be able to easily find Rauru if he went wandering around Hyrule, so maybe Rauru has the need to disguise himself - much like Zelda disguised herself as Sheik. (Just a theory).--Chris16447 22:42, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, one would think Ganondorf would kill anyone trying to help Link, although of course that doesn't happen. Aren't sages invincible? It would be interesting to cross-check the two to see everything that proves/disproves the relationship. Scepia 08:29, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that gossip stone says Kaepora Gaebora is the reincarnation of an ancient sage. I always thought it was sahrasala (however you spell that), but with the timeline theories, I could be wrong.JDub90 21:45, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I added a bit about the relationship into the article. I specifically stated it isn't concretely proven. Chris3145 23:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kokiri Twins and Know-It-All brothers

The twins and brothers of the Kokiri leads to this page but they're not mentioned. I thought perhaps we could mention them after Saria, if anyone wants to? Tyciol 18:56, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Since there's a relatively little amount of discussion for this page, I would guess that the article was primarily written by one person. From what I've read, they seem to have done a very good job, so I give my complements to the person or people that wrote it. Evan Manning 00:33, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Termina Counterparts

It says in the Ruto section of the entry that Ruto is the only sage from OoT to have a counterpart in MM (Lulu). I think it's pretty debatable as to whether or not Lulu is Ruto's counterpart, seeing as the two aren't as similar as any other counterparts between the two. I would also think that Darunia would have a counterpart in the gray Goron ghost you get the Goron mask from, but I'm not sure. What do you guys think of the whole Ruto/Lulu counterpart thing? Chris3145 23:18, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Lulu's model is based on Ruto's, as Darmani's is based on Darunia, but Lulu is more similiar to Ruto. So I guess we could say that Darmani is Darunia's counterpart... Saimdusan

[edit] Hylian Loch, a Character?

Is the Hylian Loch a character? Isn't it technically a kind of fish? Saimdusan

Moreover, I have caught a 33 pound loach. And the wording on the appearance of the loach is confusing ("before the rooster crows or the wolf howls.")

So, dawn or dusk. Jaxad0127 19:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Phantom Ganon

• I believe Phantom Ganon should be split into a new article. It has appeared in multiple Zelda games, and has become a common boss. Bly1993 17:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Like the others that appear in many games (Link, Zelda, Jabu-Jabu, etc), just link to the LoZ characters page. Jaxad0127 17:35, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-notable. I'd suggest leaving it like it resides currently. -Zero^Talk 17:50, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Umm...

The various towns in The Adventure of Link were named AFTER the characters from OoT? Adventure of Link came out a clean 10 years before OoT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.120.234.80 (talk • contribs).

Its because OoT comes before AoL in the timeline. Jaxad0127 04:43, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I say if you're a Zelda fan you should know that.

Interesting. Since when did Nintendo ever post an official timeline? Until they do, it's all speculation and I believe it's safe to say that the characters were indeed named after the towns. I'm sure that's how the game developers look at it.--IRock70x7 13:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The official position has always been that Ocarina is the first game in the series. So in other words, not speculation. Jeff Silvers 15:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

The characters are named after the towns in the real world, but in the Zelda universe the towns are named after the characters.

A timeline was mentioned by the creator and you can find it referenced as #9 on link's page71.65.34.160 09:55, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gohma

Hasn't Gohma appearend in enough games to merit her own page, with pictures of each incarnation? Just a thought. 64.230.23.81 22:15, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. But, there's nothing I can do about it. I'm not used to the Wikipedia. :( Tpganon

[edit] hmmmm

"As the hero of time Link is caught in a glorious but depressing cycle, he must incarnate himself each and every time Ganon breaks free from his prison in the now defiled home of the Triforce."

This isn't entirely correct. Link does nothing to reincarnate himself, and there is no evidence that any of the Links (excluding OoT to MM) are the same being, in fact, I was always under the impression that they were all different beings entirely, never knowing anything about the hero of time or Ganon.

I agree. In an article in Nintendo Power Miyamoto states that most Legend of Zelda (s) happen about a 100 years apart from each other. There just happens to be a young man named Link, who saves Hyrule (or other areas depending on where the game took place)

Where is this found? It needs deletion. --Zooba 20:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

It allready got deleted. --Purplepurplepurple 14:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Same Link in OoT-MM,ALttP-LA,LoZ-AoL,TWW-PH and OoS OoA. - Luigi128

[edit] Sheik/Zelda debate

Although the article says that the official comic/manga states that Sheik is male, I believe this is in terms of perception, such as the characters belief that Sheik is male. I don't believe it's factually stated that Sheik is male. Plus, at the end of the comics/manga, Sheik's face wrap falls off, and reveals Zelda's feminine face.

Ahhh... the eternal debate. I only question this, because I'm pretty sure it doesn't say that Sheik's a guy exactly... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.92.187.75 (talk) 02:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Sorry, try again.

"In the credits, he is seen sitting alone with the Zora King, while everyone else is celebrating at Lon Lon Ranch. This in itself is impossible, as if the Kokiris left their native forest they would turn into Skull Kids."

Sorry, but this information is incorrect. Kokiris will not turn into skull kids if they leave. They only turn into skull kids if they are lost in the Lost Woods for a long time. The only thing that was said when Kokiris leave Kokiri Forest is "they will die." The kid guarding the exit to Hyrule Field said that to Link when he tires to leave. I think this is more of a warning from the Deku tree that they may in fact die when they leave, not an actual sudden death as soon as you step foot out of the forest type thing. Anyways, they do ot turn into skull kids if they leave. --IRock70x7 13:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

You're right. They only turn into Skull Kids if they're in the Lost Woods for an extended period of time. As for dying if they leave the forest, this (speculation on my part) is probably more of a reference to the fact that the world outside the forest is too dangerous for the Kokiri to live in.

[edit] Pronunciations

I question the inclusion of these pronunciatons under the characters' names, since they assume that the Japanese pronunciations are correct for speakers of English. If we're supposed to pronounce Malon "Maron" because the Japanese do, are we supposed to say Zeruda (Zelda) and Rinku (Link), too? There are no official pronunciations for the game in English, and there is no reason to have these here unless they are explicitly the Japanese pronunciations. For example, Mido may have been "Meedo" when conceptualized by the Zelda team, but in the localized game, "Mido" is a real English name, pronounced the way it looks.

- I took japansee this year in high school partly,all I learned was that midori is the name for the color green which would make sense since he is the leader of the whole forest(besides the tree....nevermind it died) and the fact that they all wear green. Just wondering if it helps, along with the facts of translation(besides the fact link cant talk)the makers probly intended it. On a side note im never returning the insurance money for the pots in his house...ever. 69.251.251.2 07:24, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] King Zora

"In Twilight Princess, which takes place several decades after Ocarina of Time, it is revealed that King Zora has died. This is revealed by the ghost of the Queen, who was killed by the game's villain Zant."

Ummm, I'm pretty sure those are two different King Zoras. By the time of Twilight Princess it would seem that most of the characters from Ocarina of Time are dead, so I don't see why the old King would have lasted that long (I have heard it's at least a full century after OoT). Furthermore, the OoT King's wife had already died in OoT, while Rutelia's husband died before her. I kind of doubt he'd have remarried. If, theoretically, the Zora lived that long, it wouldn't explain Ruto's absence, personally. So, umm, yeah, just because they're both Kings of the Zora doesn't mean they're the same guy Darien Shields 02:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there's no reason to assume it's the same...after all, Ocarina of Time has King Zora XVI, so it's no secret that's the name of everyone (or at least many) on the Zora throne. Panserbjørn 04:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A few questions

It is stated on the page that Zelda is 17 years in the future, but I don't recall her age being mentioned anywhere in the game. Remove?

"and is subjected to the practices of brainwashing that Ganondorf has been intensely researching." - Nabooru

He did? I don't recall anything about that.

It is said Saria is one of the only four Kokiri to enter the Lost Woods. I know Fado and Mido did so too, but who's number 4? DreamingLady 13:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

The only thing that I can think of would be a reference to Link. He entered into the Lost Woods, although I guess that technically it would be a mistaken reference since Link isn't an actual Kokiri. If anyone else knows, please share.

Okay, thanks. I'll probably edit it later, but I hope someone else is going to answer too.DreamingLady 08:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fado

Fado is not deserving to be on this page. Mainly, all of the stuff that's on this page is specualtion. If you can verify all of that, with an official source, then fine. Heck, her name's never even stated. Besides, she's not a main character.

I don't know if you read it, but except for ONE line in the article, nothing of it is speculation. And it isn't a big one either. Everything else is fact and only about her appearance/role in the game and a small oddity EVERYONE can see. I even removed any interpretation of it. Yes, I aknowledge the first two articles I wrote about her weren't decent, and I'm sorry for that, but I have heavily edited it before putting it back. And about her not being main enough....I wouldn't consider her less important than Link (Goron), King Zora or Ingo or even Jabu-Jabu. They also didn't have very big roles (or you'd have to consider blocking the path with your fat behind being a big role ^^). The reason I put her on the page in the first place is because both the article about TWW Fado and the Kokiri (and probably TP Fado once it is created) refer to her (not my work). So I guessed people would appreciate it if they could read something about her. I know I would've appreciated it when I noticed she apparently has a name. Fado always fascinated me for being different, but seemingly not being a Hylian or having anything to do with the story. Why's she different? Why does she keep talking about Mido in a way I can only reason they are siblings (or that she has a very scary crush on him)? Then, I searched for her on internet. There's hardly any real info about her, except her name's Fado (allthough I couldn't find the source for that piece of knowledge) and that most people who know a bit more about her think (know?) she's Mido's sis. Some small info can be found at http://zso.krahs-emag.com/ OOT beta A+B reversed, page 3. Anyway, I think she does deserve to be on the page(though I will await your response(s) before putting her back). Not because she's important to the story, but because she's the odd case. Why did Nintendo spend time on her if she doesn't fullfill any role worth of going through all the trouble? Why does she have a name so similar to another character she frequently refers too? Why did they decide to remove her in the adult timeline? Why did they put a character with the same name and from the same race in TWW, who happened to be the kind of sage Nintendo eventually decided NOT to put in OOT (same site, beta codes -> items). And a bit off track, didn't Nintendo promise more dungeons in the add-on and expand the story a little(search wikipedia for 64dd)? Note, I don't intend to put these questions (or their thousand-and-one possible answers) in Fado's article (except for that minor part about Mido). I'm just using it now to argue she does have enough background to deserve a place on the page.DreamingLady 10:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I can certainly understand your fascination with her, but we don't really know anything about her. I checked out the link that you put on this page and, yes, I saw the picture that you were talking about. But, that's not an official Nintendo site. I guess my point is if someone creates a websits that doesn't mean that what they put on there is fact. If Nintendo or Miyamoto (forgive my spelling, 'cause that's probably not right) or someone like that came out and gave info about her, then I would definitely agree that she deserves to be in the article. But, as it stands now, they haven't. Heck, we don't even know if Fado is her name. It is never mentioned in the game, just like the majority of the people you meet aren't. Now, as for the importance factor, she is less important than King Zora, Jabu-Jabu, Link (Goron), and Ingo because they all play small yet vital roles in the game. King Zora is the father of one of the Sages, he is the one who aks you to save his daughter and and let's you pass, and he gives you the Zora Tunic and some key pecies of info to the storyline. (Telling you that his daughter is missing.) Jabu-Jabu might not ever speak, but his act of sucking in Ruto played a huge part in the game. Things would have been far different had he not done so, wouldn't you agree? Ingo was not a character that you had to interact with, but he was arguably the main antagonist of the Lon Lon Ranch side-quest. Now, as for Link (Goron), yea, he's not real pivitol to the plot, but he is the one who fills you in on what happened with his dad. You wouldn't know about it if it wasn't for him. He gives you the Goron Tunic, which is essential, and, if I remember correctly, he re-opens the door to Darunia's chamver for you. Ultimately, all of those characters have some key role in the game. You have to interact with most of them to progress or complete possibly the most important side quest in the game. But, with this Kokirir girl, she gives you nothing beyond random dialouge. Maybe she is a close friend to Mido or like a lacky of his, wanting to fill him in on all that goes on. I don't know, but I do know that no one else does. Plus, she looks different in the Beta version screen shot, but maybe all of the Kokiri dressed that way at first. We odn't know what they planned. Anyways, in all of this I have to say that I am not trying to screw with you when I delete that section. I'm not trying to be rude or anything of that nature, and if I've come across as such, then my apologies. I just think that it shouldn't be in the article because Wikipedia is all about proven fact.

Your spelling is fine, don't worry. And no, I don't take this personal (although Fado is one of my fav Zelda characters ^^). I understand the reasons not to put her on the page, but I do not agree with them. Yes, the site is not official. If it would be, it'd be rather odd, non? Nintendo investigating and speculating about their own work. I can give links to some other sites that also have beta stuff, but most say the same thing and have the same screenshots (I wanted to give a better link in the first place, but it seems they've removed the comments about the screenshots, making it a standard beta quest page.) It aren't official sites, but those pics are real. They were published during the production days and now float around the internet. Don't take this the wrong way, but I wonder if you read what I wrote about Fado. Because 1/4th of my decision to put her on the page was because of several sites. 3/4th was for the facts that are ingame and I couldn't help but notice. I haven't put anything speculated on those unofficial sites in the article, except the stuff about Mido, which I'd happily edit. A side-quest is never important. Maybe popular or giving a good reward, but never important. And I don't think there's any difference in those two factors between the Biggoron's Sword quest or the Epona quest. Oh wait, Epona was needed for the Poes, right? Alright, beats the BS quest. However, I don't think it matters much, cause it's just as likely people will want the BS too. And therefore, they need to talk with Fado. She's not the main character of the sidequest, but probably the most memorizable one for her awkward quotes. That she looks different in the pic isn't that strange btw. This was way before the game was released and as you can see, a lot of other pics also show things that have been changed (the fairy being the second most interesting). Anyway, what I wrote about her is nothing but fact (except for the name maybe, but I don't see anyone claiming it's not true. Only pages with good info claiming it is) and a bit of admitted speculation. Fado doesn't have a big role in the game, I cannot deny that. But then again, the other character pages aren't that strict either.

I did read what you wrote, because I specifically remembered seeing that it was much shorter than before. And, yes, the info that was there was, for the most part, true. But it was just the fact that she had the name Fado. I don't see where that is coming from. More like it's just small group of fans who reached a consensus to call her that. I don't think it's true, but not because it's wrong, but rather because we simply don't know. Maybe she was designed to look different so that you would remember her when she gives you the saw, I'm not sure. I just don't like it when we start speculating on what a picture means because we get too far into opinion. For example, on Malon's section somone put in that pictures of Link and Malon together can be found on the net. But, what does that prove? Now, I admit that you're pic was far more reliable since it was from the beta version, but we still don't have any information beyond what we see there. I just don't want this article to get to the point where it has every single character has a section. One for the chicken lady (Anju in MM), the guard who wants the Keaton's Mask, the woman who has a little doog named Richard, etc. I just think that if you start putting that stuff on there, then where does it end? But, if you want to add her back in, then I'm okay with it, I guess. I would just recomend that you title it as something like 'Kokiri girl' or something similar to that, and then mention the beleif that her name is Fado in the section itself.

No, I won't put her back for now. I feel challenged and I will first see if I can figure out where the rumour(?) of he name comes from. At the same time, I can investigate what's with this character Aria (a name I've heard often as well, but was always very sceptic about). Maybe I will eventually decide not to put her back. Thanks ^^. DreamingLady 10:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I've beean asking around, and so far, I have no link or something to prove her name is fado. But apparently, and I quote: "Fado's name was mentioned on the offcial Zelda site a long time ago stating that her name is not mentioned in the game but her name was Fado." If anyone here can confirm this, it'd be great! Anyway, I'm waiting a little longer to see what I can get before putting her back. DreamingLady 18:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Were you able to find anything on Fado? I know you were looking for official information, and I was just curious if anything came up.

More about Aria than about Fado. Anyway, Fado's name was mentioned of the official Zelda site around the time of the production of OOT and its release. It was also said her name doesn't appear in the game. The people who replied answered this about her name. I haven't been able to get anything about her relation with Mido yet, though. DreamingLady 10:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not really part of this project but I'd like to know if you guys could add something. In Ocarina of Time have you noticed she laughs when she asks you, "Are you going to be a Stalfos, too?" On the article you could say that in the adult timeline she became sadistic or something. --Cabbage9 04:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Darunia's Son

It stated in the article that Link is not Darunia's son's official name. But, it is. Sure, his name will change depending on what the character names Link, but his official name is still Link. Just like how Link (the hero) can have his name changed by the player, but his official name is still Link, Darunia's son is the same.

[edit] Zelda II town names

I have a bit of beef over the article stating that the towns were named after the sages. is there ANY sourcing for that, or is it just speculation.DurinsBane87 09:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

this is already mentioned further up71.65.34.160 09:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bongo Bongo's Origin

"An old man in Kakariko Village describes a 'man with the eye of truth whose house stood where the well was', possibly referring to someone who later became Bongo Bongo."

I removed that because I believe that the line is merely a hint, informing the player where to find the "Eye of Truth", an item that allows players to see certain things which can't normally be seen(it's in a mini maze at the bottom of a well). I've played this game extensively and never found anything about the origin of the boss, besides the fact that it was imprisoned and later escaped, so I think it's just speculation.

I also changed the word "cycloptic" to "cyclopean", because I think the latter is the proper adjective. ^-^

Adrael 07:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)