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[edit] Real K-os
As far as a disambiguation page goes, the current setup is definitely not ambiguous enough for the concept of 'chaos' To give innocent encyclopedia browsers a real feel for 'chaos' we should create a maze of disambiguation pages, with lots of irrelevant links and bad formatting through which any seeker of chaos must travel. Only then will he have proved himself a worthy participant in the discourse of chaos. 209.6.127.190
[edit] Sonic the Hedgehog
I deleted the part about Chaos being a character in the Sonic the Hedgehog video game and a character in Sesame Park. I don't think these pieces of information are neccesary in an article about a mythological concept... If any of you think I was wrong to do this, then put it back in.
- Wikipedia does not do your homework for you. Besides, there's a place for research-related questions; this is not it. Fennec 23:26, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Do not focus on Chaos in your speech. Chaos was more of an abstract entity in ancient Greek religion -- little is known about him because he was not actively worshipped, took part in no stories apart from the creation and had no personal identity. The supreme god in ancient Greece was Zeus, who is more closely analogous to the Christian God than Chaos. Tuf-Kat 23:29, Apr 5, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] truth v fiction
I'd like to know how you classify what is 'truth' and what is 'fiction'. After all, "Chaos, an apocalyptic rider in the Discworld book series by Terry Pratchett" is no less real than "Chaos (also 'Khaos'), the primordial substance from which the universe sprang in Greek mythology." and "Chaos: Making A New Science, a non-fiction book by James Gleick." is no more real than "Chaos, a video game for the Sinclair ZX Spectrum and Atari ST." Please clarify the way you have categorised what is fact and fiction please. Thanks :) Zikar 09:08 31st December GMT
[edit] Xaos
What should be done if I'm looking to add an entry on "Xaos", (the name of a multiplayer RPI Mud, since the present "Xaos" entry redirects to "Chaos"?
I mean, I'm not sure where to put referrence to Xaos. In the "chaos disambiguation"? In a new disambiguation for the word Xaos? Or should I just get rid of the redirect (despite the fact that Xaos is, of course, something with a smaller audience than the concept of chaos (even the mispelled concept) would have)?
- I'd suggest creating a new artical called "Xaos_(MUD)" or somthing then add that page into the media or other section is this artical. Zikar 21:25 24th Jan 2005
[edit] Bible
I think the statement on the Bible should be revised. If it's referring to the creation story in Genesis, the Bible says the Earth was "without form and void" (tohu wa bohu). It's a similar idea but I don't think the Bible ever uses the term Chaos, at least not in Genesis itself (for obvious reasons). --Jordansc 06:25, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
perhaps chaos is man's reflection of himself, seeing how he works, or understanding, which is a chaotic word in itself.
chaos is self perpetuating, which a person who fears death does so by living.
chaos is man because man is afraid of the end (judgement), of which he is not sure that he himself is ready to call it quits and look over their life with an overall positive aspect.
irony is chaotic too in that it shows an equilibrium once reached and analized
so chaos is like man vs himself
[edit] Overhaul
The Chaos Faction section should be deleted. There's no discussion of how they relate to the concept of chaos - it's just their name. Topics with the name chaos but no reference to the concept should have their own articles and be included in the disambiguation page.
The Chaos and Fate section and the paragraph on Robin Hood and chaos are both unsourced opinions and should either be cited or deleted.
I also think we should add a section on Chaos in fiction and popular culture. Jordansc 10:09, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty of merging Chaos (mythology) and Chaos since there were some requests. It seems to me that a number of views on Chaos should be given short sections and links back to their respective main pages: Chaos magic and Michael Moorcock's chaos (since both are on the links page already anyway), Hakim Bey's thoughts on Chaos, Chaos in the Warhammer universes, Lovecraft's Azathoth. --Jordansc 06:18, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Association test
Could you help me in a linguistic study? Please, write what you associate with the words "chaos" and "order". Thank you!
I would associate Choas with data whereby there is no easily noticible pattern. Tetrahedron93 21:13, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Physics rewrite - remove tag?
The Physics section contained apparently improvised fluff, so I rewrote it as an attempt to clarify the relationship between chaos and thermodynamic entropy. Since I don't consider myself an expert in this subject, I left in the "expert attention needed" tag. If you have a degree in physics and feel this is a quality write-up, please remove the tag. --67.171.130.47 07:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I would separate the article as the physics of chaos and the mythology of chaos are incredibly different or we could just direct it to chaos theory. I'm in favour of adding it to the chaos theory article. Evildoctorcow 07:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
This article should be removed form the chaos article, for it has nothing to do with the religious meaning of "chaos"
[edit] War Child
War child is the godess of chaos and distruction....
[edit] disorder?
Due to people misunderstanding early Christian uses of the word, the meaning of the word changed to "disorder". What people and when? Are we talking about the meaning of the English word Chaos (which the article is about), or the meaning of Χάος? Should there be more support for this statement here? 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 06:07, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. In addition, using the word "Christian" is extremely pointed. Were the uses explicitly Christian, or were they merely a Christian people? In the latter case, refer to the uses by the people not their beliefs. In both cases, I would argue that there needs to be more support for this statement. MrHen 21:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Hidden chaos
Chaos was not actively worshipped in greek mythology for very specific reasons. First let me clarify a gender related issue. Chaos is female in gender. It was from her womb that all others sprang forth from. There is little known about her as i said for specific reasons. She was the first emerging from the void. The void being He who always was and always shall be. He who was alone. Her ways quickly spread throughout Gaia and is the foundation of Free will. Without Chaos, there could only be order. There is no free will in an ordered universe. For all paths are preset, predetermined. She left this world to spread Chaos throughout all the worlds of the One. And it is prophesized that her return will be when man needs her most. When our way of life and free will is threatened to fall blindly into orderly complacency. And our path through the universe will no longer be split by choices rather instead travel single file into the jaws of oblivion.
[edit] Ovid
Can we get a source on the Ovid translation used on this page? They should be credited. Jordansc 21:26, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Physics or Philosophy?
My viewpoint is that the two articles contain more Philosophy than Science. I would suggest to merge "Chaos (physics)" into "Chaos" and to change the title of the resulting article to "Chaos (philosophy)". 3p1416 10:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] No Merger
The word 'chaos' was misappropriated by physics/mathematics. Its use by them is at best misleading, but most accurately described as corrupting. In many ways chaos is the antithesis of the world described by physics and mathematics. Please keep them separate - they mean different things. Creating a Chaos (philosophy) and a Chaos (physics) would be an alternative; but for sake of clarity the descrepencies and distinctions between the two usages of the word should be made apparent in each. BillSmart 10:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
