Talk:Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg

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Contents 1 Sources for bio 1.1 Rabbi means more in Judaism 2 Birth 3 Shanghai 4 All for the Boss 5 Shachne Zohn?

[edit] Sources for bio

Let's begin this collaboration by putting together a list of sources we could consult for details on CPS's bio. There's seriously nothing on Google, and I don't think Artscroll publishes bio-books on living rabbis... Any ideas? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• How about translating whatever possible out of the hebrew wikipedia? that would be a good start. Ayinyud 14:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Except there's no hebrew article. Ayinyud 14:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

• You're right. Google and Vivisimo yield nothing solid about him. This may be tough. Nesher 17:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

We must use the honorific "Rabbi" only once, at the beginning. Throughout the article we have to refer to R'S as "Scheinberg". I have removed excessive honorifics per policy. I am also adding another image. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 21:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so don't call him "Rabbi" every time, but I think "Chaim" is more respectful than "Scheinberg". Nesher 11:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL, I figured that wouldn't go... - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 12:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I really don't think that either "Chaim" or "Scheinberg" are respectful. I feel it would be better to say "Rav Scheinberg", even if it may make the article a bit less graceful. In any case, I definitely feel that "Scheinberg" beats "Chaim". Ayinyud 12:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Right. It's WP policy. No honorific beyond one use. If you wanna put it in - go for it. Eventually some unrelated editor will come and clean them out, anyway. Rav Sheinberg is what I would prefer. I also uploaded a picture of him from my son's bris. My wife insisted that I crop myself out :) - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email13:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

did anyone try a google search in Hebrew? Jon513 18:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rabbi means more in Judaism

By the way, in Judaism the title "Rabbi" is not just an "honorific" in the English sense of the word for a true rabbi, it usually becomes part of his name, even his "essence". So it is in keeping with Judaism that a significant rabbinic personality should be called "Rabbi" as much as possible stylistically and not, for example, just plain old common Chaim Yankel for a first name or Kuntsenmacher for a last name which degrades the rabbi and runs counter to what the article about that personality is trying to convey in its true context. Religious Jews should appreciate this, while it may not make immediate sense to others. Wikipedia policies are not "weapons" to smear people, and sometimes there is both a certain convention to adhere to and, hey, there is always Wikipedia:Ignore all rules ! IZAK 13:17, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea why you think that "Rabbi" is more than an honorific and becomes part of the name. Especially when I hear stories about gedolim who would answer the phone and simply give their names, without any title. I feel very odd when referring to a rav by name only, but that is the environment we are in. Wikipedia is a general public resource, not a specifically Jewish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I just spent a few minutes looking at some articles about some leaders of the catholic church. My conclusion is that there is no consistency about the titles. Throughout the articles, sometimes the name is used on its own, and sometimes it is preceded by "pope" or "bishop" or "father". The rule about using the title only in the first case is not followed universally, and so we don't have to follow it either. However, I do think we should use "Rabbi", and not "Rav". This is the English Wikipedia, not the Yinglish one. --Keeves 19:36, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birth

What's the source for his birth? We have it listed in the intro paragraph as a definite (b. 1913), and later as indefinite (circa 1913). I want to make it consistent, but without a source I don't know which way to go. (Theoretically it shouldn't be too hard to find an exact date - NY did keep birth records in the early part of the 20th century). --Bachrach44 01:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shanghai

Really? I doubt that very much for some reason. They escaped in 1940 or thereabouts. He would be 27, and too old for the Mir. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to admit, the source isn't watertight, but here it is:

"in a previous post i had made passing mention of some of european roshei yeshiva at yu with whom i'd learned and included r. sheinberg in that list. i should have mentioned that he is actually an american who went to europe to learn in pre-war mir and got caught with the rest of them, making the shanghai escape."

taken from [2]] and the subject is "Re: YU is a Litvishe yeshiva in the mold of Volozhin (?) Curious objections(?), clarification" Nesher 16:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Understatement of the century! removed. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 16:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] All for the Boss

Has anyone got the book "All for The Boss" by Ruchama Shain? With the difficulty of finding info about Rav Scheinbeeg, I am enlightened that the book contains some info about him, although I don't how exactly know he's connected to the subject matter. See pages 113-115 especially. Many thanks, Nesher 19:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll do that. Thanks for the tip. Ayinyud 20:16, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Says here that

• his father was a tailor who was unwilling for his son to further his Torah Education
• that he attended the New Haven Yeshiva from the age of 14-17, before going to Rabbi Yitzchok Elchonon
• where he learned under The Meitcheter iluy- Rav Shleima Polachek. Rav Moshe Soloveitchik and Rav Shimon Shkop (who liven in NY for a year while raising funds)
• he got smicha from Rabbi Dr Bernard Revel
• he then married the daughter of Rav Yaakov Yosef Herman at the age of 19 and set off for Mir, where he stayed for 5 years -thus making it impossible for him to have gone to Shanghai, as he left at the age of 24, and the yeshiva fled when he was 27.

Ayinyud 20:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

wow! Thanks so much - this is gold! I'm going to add it in right now. If you find any more info keep us posted and by all means add it. Many thanks, Nesher 21:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Read this. the article gives a story about Rav Scheinberg which seems to imply that he was a supporter of the NY Yankees until quite an advanced age. Its not the first time I've heard that either. Ayinyud 14:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shachne Zohn?

Who iz dat? - CrazyRussian talk/email 01:45, 20 July 2006 (UTC)