Talk:CH-47 Chinook

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Contents 1 Recent edits 2 seperate RAF page and Reputation in the RAF 3 Chinooks in use in Taiwan 4 Heavy Lift version purposed and cancelled twice 5 Development section 6 Pictures at Snopes 7 Crash in Mannheim, Germany - 1982 8 Amphibious 9 Air Force HH-47 10 CH-147 11 Price tag? 12 I think the listed service ceiling is wrong

[edit] Recent edits

Recent edits changed some facts. I don't have a way of knowing if they were correct or not. Can someone check them? Thanks - Taxman 19:03, May 11, 2005 (UTC)

Which facts are you unsure of? (Born2flie 14:51, 29 July 2006 (UTC))

I am a current Flight Engineer in a Chinook, and I have the operators manual, so I'll go through it and change some of the stuff as I get to it....Severian if you want to get in touch with me, this is easier.--70.160.123.211 19:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] seperate RAF page and Reputation in the RAF

Is there a reason why there is a seperate RAF Chinook page? Could someone combine the two. Especially with the addition of the newest section, it seems odd to have two seperate sections. - Thatguy96 13:15, Sept 6, 2005 (UTC)

I think it's good to keep the separate RAF Chinook page - they're a very large operator and use them extensively and almost exclusively in their role, unlike the US military which has other comparable aircraft. However, I have removed the bulk of the information regarding reputation in the RAF which was already copied verbatim in the RAF Chinook article (which it now links to) and I think that's a much better place for it.Iancaddy 22:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Then we should also remove the "Problems with the Chinook" and "Reputation of the Chinook" since they seem RAF-centric. (Born2flie 14:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Chinooks in use in Taiwan

I see Chinooks operating out of the army base Tainan County in Taiwan - concrete evidence that the Taiwanese military is using them too. Any thoughts about adding Taiwan to the list of militaries using them?

yes, would be great if you can get some photos! The 234 commercial variant and CH-47SD Super Chinooks are in use. [Boeing press release] Jor70 15:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy Lift version purposed and cancelled twice

In 1971, the US Army started to build a Heavy Lift Helicopter version of the CH-47 Chinook, and it was designated: the Boeing Vertol HLH XCH-62. It was to supposed to be in the 22 tons payload class. It was cancelled in 1974, after the basic body shell had been built. It was reevualated in 1983, and again was rejected. The helicopter resembled an enlarged merger of a S-64 Skycrane, (CH-54 Tarhe), and a CH-47. The basic body shell of the helicopter was totally destroyed in a moving accident at Ft. Rucker, Alabama. Here is link to information about the helicopter and some photographs. [XCH-62]. 204.80.61.10 18:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

[edit] Development section

Several weeks ago, I added the development section with the intention of giving historical background on the Chinook, especially in relation to the CH-46. It has taken longer than I intended to work on this. I have moved the recently-added section in Variants on the prototype models to Develpment, and reworked the paragraphs. Hopefully we can add more info in the near future to flesh out this section. --BillCJ 17:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds great! A75 00:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures at Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/rooftop.asp#photo shows some really dramatic pictures of a CH-47 in Afghanistan in 2003 which were taken by U.S. Army personnel and so probably not subject to copyright, but in BMP format. Perhaps one of these could be converted for inclusion in this article. (I'm no expert in photo formats). Spikebrennan 20:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crash in Mannheim, Germany - 1982

The Ch-47C Crash in Mannheim, Germany was added. I'm new to Wiki, but as I was at the crash (Sept. 11, 1982), I thought I could contribute. I put it there for informational purposes only.

On September 11, 1982, a Chinook CH-47C crashed in Mannheim Germany at an Air Show, in what is so far considered the second deadliest helicopter crash in history. The City of Mannheim requested two Chinooks to drop sky divers at the Air Show for the 375th anniversary of the city. Although both helicopters arrived on schedule, instead of two Chinooks executing the mission, someone made the decision to only take one aircraft. The Para-jumpers desired to set a world record by forming the largest joined circle of free-falling sky divers ever accomplished. As a result, 46 people climbed aboard one Chinook. Since there were only 33 seats available in the cabin, 11 people remained standing. The aircraft took off without difficulty.

After the decision was made that there were too many people on the aircraft, it was decided to land on the opposite side of the Autobahn when the aft rotorblades were observed departing the airframe. Shortly after the Aft Blades failed, the Aft Rotor Hub, along with half of the Aft Pylon separated from the fuselage, and the Chinook crashed on the Autobahn and a "G" force at impact was estimated at 200. All 46 people aboard were killed; there was no doubt that death was instantaneous.

Welcome! Your addition is very interesting, but we can't use uncited material, as it is considered original research. If you can find a newspaper, journal, or book account to cite, then a short version MIGHT be acceptable. I am posting your account above here, as the standards for talk pages are much less restrictive. -- BillCJ 18:01, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

This rendition of the crash of CH-47C s/n 74-22292 is filled with errors. The actual facts of 74-22292's crash is available through official internet sites.

[edit] Amphibious

The Discovery channel show I just watched had a Chinook landing on water. Are all Chinooks able to land on water? Can we call it an amphibious helicopter? --Gbleem 08:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as I know, the military versions are all capable of water landings, as are their smaller brothers, the CH-46 variants. Whether that qualifies them as "amphibious", I don't know. I'll try to scare up a source for that one way or the other. - BillCJ 09:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

What's in the bulges on the sides? I'm assuming some tubes and wires but maybe flotation material? --Gbleem 02:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Air Force HH-47

Recenly read in the Arizona Daily Star that the Air Force is planning to procure some CH-47s (which in the Air Force will be called HH-47s) to replace the Pavehawks in the Combat Search and Rescue role, due to the Chinook being larger and faster, allowing them to carry more equipment and medical personel and such. I'm on my way to class, so if anyone wants to add this in, feel free. Here is the link to the article in the Daily Star: Noisy new chopper en route to D-M?--Raguleader 00:17, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. The HH-47 is already in the article. We Aero-geeks are fast! - BillCJ 01:15, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] CH-147

Eight CH-47C Chinooks were delivered to the Canadian Armed Forces in 1974. The Chinooks were in Canadian service from 1974 to 1991; they were designated CH-147. These aircraft were subsequently sold to the Netherlands and are now operated by the Royal Netherlands Air Force as CH-47Ds. On July 5, 2006, the Canadian government issued a notice that it intends to purchase 16 Chinooks.^[1].

Did the Dutch dudes upgrade this helicopter to make it a D or does D just stand for Dutch? --Gbleem 01:12, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I assume they upgraded them to "D" standard before delivery, making them similar to US Army CH-47Ds. The Dutch usually call themselves some form of "Netherlander"; to them, the "Deutch" are Germans. - BillCJ 02:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Price tag?

Was wondering if someone could add to the article how much the various models of the Chinook cost? Right now no prices are given at all, even one would be helpful. --70.51.231.248 23:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think the listed service ceiling is wrong

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avch47.html says it's 22,100 feet —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.6.198.192 (talk • contribs).

I think you're right. The problem we have is many people see a hover ceiling, either IGE or OGE and assume that it is the same thing as the service ceiling. --Born2flie 02:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)