Talk:CH-113 Labrador

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This isn't the same as an American CH-47 Chinook. It's the same as the CH-46 Sea Knight. The best way to tell is the landing gear. The Sea Knight has tricycle landing gear, while the Chinook has a four wheeled gear. However, Canada did operate some Chinooks until 1991.--Mtnerd 16:33, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Labrador or Voyageur

The Canada's Air Force website says that the aircraft was called Voyageur, not Labrador.[1] --Born2flie 02:19, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, it lists it as both the CH-113 Voyageur and the CH-113 Labrador. Were the Canadian Forces confused? --Born2flie 02:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

The initial model was the CH-113 Labrador. The CH-113A Voyageur was a separate model. THey were ordered before the 1968 unification of the Canadian Armed FOrces, but I'm not clear on which of the 3 previous services (RCAF, RCN, or Canadian Army), ordered which when. The text states that the CH-113As were all converted to CH-113 Labrador standard later on, and all were used in the SAR role.

The CF doesn't use a letter for the initial version in its designations, like the old US Army system before and during WWII. So CH-113 is the first model, and CH-113 a the second. Some of the text is confusing and contradictory, and it's not clear on the model history. I'll check my prited sources and online this week, and see if I can set it straight with some good sources. By the way, don't argue with your self so much ;) - BillCJ 02:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Andreas Parsch's webpage has it listed as:

Designation	Popular name	Manufacturer	Model; Remarks
CH-113	Labrador	Boeing-Vertol	107.II-9 (U.S. designation: CH-46)
CH-113A	Labrador	Boeing-Vertol	107.II-28; originally named Voyageur

--Born2flie 03:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

You folks may be interested in checking out this detail list of 113 serial numbers. If you notice nearly all the Canadian aircraft had a designation of the "regular" 113 and the 113A. The exception is the first six. Interestingly is the change in Canadian tail numbers - i.e. 10401 evolving to 11301. In addition notice the connection of 107-9s & 107-28s. Bottom line is that all of these aircraft evolved from the BV 107, including the CH-46. --Trashbag 04:06, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree on them being BV 107s/CH-46s; I have no clue where the CH-47 junk comes from as those were called CH-147s in Canadian service, and they don't look THAT much alike. It's most likely someone got very confused, or it's sneaky vandalism. I apologize for not catching it myself before now. - BillCJ 04:18, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

This is total speculation, but I suspect that the CH-147 replaced the CH-113A in the transport role, and the 113As were then converted to the SAR role. We'll see what further research turns up. - BillCJ 04:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)