Talk:CF-18 Hornet
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[edit] Cost
- The Amount of CF-18 Hornets is much lower now due to losses and upgrades. There is not somewhere between 80-85. 120 was the initial purchase.
The US F-18 costs 35 million USD per unit so how can the Canadian CF-18 Hornet cost 35 million canadian dollars? It must be more but I don't know the exact cost...:( I hope someone knows. Pseudoanonymous 16:53, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] List of losses
Is the list of losses even accurate and worth keeping? --Steven 03:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Seems right to me. Ive been working on this jet for 5 years and know people who have been working on it for 20 and we all say its pretty accurate and up-to-date. 19:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Comparison
I'd like to see move a comparison between the Canadian and American versions. Marcus1060 07:18, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Update info
The initial purchase was for 138 planes.
The CF-18's cost 15 million USD. The CF-18B's cost approximately 15.5 million USD. The exact cost was not allowed to be made public because of specifics in American reporting rules. Canada paid much less than the Americans for the planes since they bought in larger numbers than the US Navy procurement procedures would allow. --Opitusflos 15:31, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 409
Should we put something to the fact that 409 just stood up and 441 and 416 no longer exist? We could put a list of inactive squadrons perhaps. Jeremy D. 07:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dummy canopy
I found the tidbit about the painted canopy very interesting as I have never read about anything like that before. So, do write more about it because I have no idea how it is supposed to work.
- How it works is fairly simple, the concept is to momentarily confuse an opposing pilot during air combat, by making it difficult to determine which way the aircraft is heading. Normally, if you can see the canopy of an aircraft which is rolled into a turn it's turning toward you, with the dummy canopy it could in fact be turning away. This may delay the opponent in making a decision just long enough to give an advantage.
[edit] Storage
I moved this from the F/A-18 Hornet article for incorporation here. Hope to have integration completed within a week, but feel free to help out. - BillCJ 00:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- The Canadian government sought a New Fighter Aircraft (NFA) in March 1977 to replace its CF-101 Voodoo, CF-116 Freedom Fighter, and CF-104 Starfighter. The competition came down to the F-16 and F/A-18. Canadian Forces Air Command announced the selection of the Hornet on 10 April 1980, largely on the basis of the dual engines, which they believed to be a safer setup over the large isolated regions in Northern Canada. They purchased 98 single-seaters and 40 dual-seaters for 2,340 million in 1977 Canadian dollars, the single largest defense contract in Canadian history. They are largely similar to the A and B model Hornets then being produced by McDonnell, and designated CF-18A and CF-18B respectively (sometimes also referred to as CF-188A and CF-188B). The primary modification is a 600,000 candlepower spotlight fitted to the left side of the forward fuselage to aid visual identification.
- The first CF-18 flew on 29 July 1982, and was delivered on 25 October. Eighteen Hornets from No. 409 Squadron participated in Operation Desert Shield, flying over 1,110 CAP and training sorties from Doha, Qatar. Supplemented by 26 Hornets from Nos. 439 and 416 Squadrons, the Canadians conducted CAP and escort missions during the Gulf War. They dropped some limited unguided and guided bombs but lacked the capacity to illuminate targets for laser-guided weapons. Though originally planned to be in service until 2003, the Canadians will need to extend the service of the CF-18 and have embarked on the CF-18 Incremental Modernization Project (IMP) to extend their service life until 2017-2020, primarily consisting of imporoved avionics to communicate with other NATO forces. The structural life will be extended under the International Follow-on Structural Program, in conjunction with Australia .[1]
[edit] Canadian Hornet
Someone has deleted this without discussion:
- The term CF-18 is actually a misnomer. The planes are technically designated CF-188 (the name Hornet not being used as there is no officially recognized French Canadian translation).
It is referring to a direct translation, as French for Hornet is Frelon. As written, I believe it is correct, but maybe we should reword it so as to be more clear. - BillCJ 03:59, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Armament
I'm confused by the list of armaments used by the CF-18. Listed among them are cluster mines and nuclear warheads. Canada does not make use of nuclear weapons. Also, if cluster mines are the same thing as air-dropped landmines, Canada's signing of the international landmine treaty strictly forbids the use of these weapons.
If someone could clarify where this list of armaments came from I'd appreciate it. Ve4cib 04:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Old Specs
I don't understand why there should be a section called "old specs". and any idea why some values are different? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TheGerm (talk • contribs) 15:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
- I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that when the old specs were updated to the new format, there was some question as to which figures were correct. The best thing to do would be to check several sources, and use the ones that agree. THe old specs could then be deleted. - BillCJ 19:03, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
