Talk:Cesare Battisti (1954-)
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[edit] Writer or revolutionary?
The most important thing about Battisti is that he is a former member of a revolutionary organization and condamned to life term in Italy for four murders. Then comes the writing activity. For this reason, I'll change "Battisti is a writer and..." to "Battisti is a former member of revolutionary organization and..." as it was before Tazmaniac's edit. -- Lasah 20:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Current activity precedes past activities. Battisti has forsaken armed struggle since Aldo Moro's 1978 assassination. You don't start an article on François Mitterrand by saying: "He was a far-right sympathisant", neither an article on Jacques Chirac by saying "he was a Communist sympathisant, who signed the Stockholm Appeal in the 1950s". Tazmaniacs 15:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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- I disagree. Mitterand is mainly famous for being a French former politician and head of state. Same goes for Chirac. They both are widely known and perceived as such. OTOH, Battisti is first and foremost known due to his criminal deeds during the 70's, and due to his much-debated judiciary cases. His books are not as nearly as famous compared to his judicial history. --Hauteville 22:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Exile???
Why did they write exile? If i killed somebody and i ran away, would you say i am in "exile"?????
[edit] Why?
Because many self-styled "progressive" "intellectuals" consider that extreme leftwingers, who have been condemned in Italy for trifles such as murder etc , and have run away, actually went "in exile".
This sounds, obviously, more romantic. This whole article seems written by someone who thinks that the Italian Republic and Italian justice are a joke. Personally, I disagree.
By the way, Cesare Battisti "is considered a national hero in Italy". No, sorry that's the "other" Cesare Battisti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Battisti), an exilee who however was hanged by Austria-Hungary for acting on his political convictions . He has exactly 10 lines on Wikipedia.
Clearly, the former PAC (armed proletarian for communism) Cesare Battisti deserves much, much more attention.|Giordaano]] 23:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Does ECHR recommend new trials...
...for the defendant who voluntarily absent themselves - which is what most defendants do, at least in Italy? It seems very unlikely to me to say the least. I only inserted a citation request for now, in case I might be wrong - I'll delete it if no citation is collected in a reasonable amount of time. --Hauteville 22:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Also, I fail to understand this paragraph:
- Finally, events after 1993 would be subjected to the European Arrest Warrant, effective since 1994.
- The European Arrest Warrant was not yet effective in 1994 - its framework was adopted in 2002 by the EU and it did not came into force in Italy before 2005! I hope a citation will help clarifying things :-) --Hauteville 03:53, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- It must be a confusion with Schengen, which unified European policy concerning security matters. Tazmaniacs
You should discuss my edits instead of blindly reverting.That would be proper Wikipedia behaviour.Giordaano 07:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Seeing the massive edits you are doing, I don't think so. You are mixing legitimate copy-edit with very POV edits, not to say some of them senseless ("robbing in the tradition of robberies" - sic - just because you legitimately do not agree with "propaganda of the deed" theory. Your POV here, as mine, is irrelevant. Italian justice itself has made a difference between politically-motivated robberies and ordinary robberies - in the Sofri case for example. You are entitled to think that these politically-motivated robberies in no way distinguish themselves from common law crimes; this does not entitle you to erase the discourse which accompanied these acts.) Please don't mix controversial edits with spelling fixes and copy-edit, that would be a start for cooperative behaviour. Thanks, Tazmaniacs 15:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
- Again, I am not "blindly reverting." Although many of your changes are copy-editing, you have mixed them with removal of portions of text, as well as removal of party membership of politicians (how is the reader supposed to guess from which party belongs a politician? Or will you claim that party membership of a politician is irrelevant?) Please proceed first with your copy-editing, then with content change (which you are encouraged to discuss). Thanks, Tazmaniacs 14:54, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Tazmaniacs, I don't have the time to deal with the hundreds of small (and big) issues which should be fixed in this article . The article, as it is, is a triumph of POV : it assumes that Italian justice is a joke, and Battisti is being unjustly persecuted. It doesn't present the main facts in a NPOV fashion, and contains a huge number of inaccuracies.
You should check (just for fun) the Italian and French articles on Battisti.
Oh well, have fun with your articles on "left wing activism" in the "lead years" (also called terrorism). In any case, they are so long and (uselessly) detailed that I'm sure that (almost) no one reads them. Bye.Giordaano 12:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that you are not willing to take the time to discuss things point by point and to edit in a cooperative manner. I hope you will change your mind and care to improve the article without editing unilaterally. Grazie, Tazmaniacs
