Talk:Cesária Évora

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Contents 1 Is this article a carbon copy??? 2 A bit of clarification needed 3 Talk:Cesária Évora/Temp - New Article with Copy Violation Removed 4 Not acceptable 5 Please, stop this copyvio "party" 6 Deletion of Previous Version

[edit] Is this article a carbon copy???

This article looks like it's an exact copy of the article in The African Music Encyclopedia. Or was that article copied from the one in Wikipedia?

Also, the picture is obviously the same as in a webpage on Cesária Évora, with an illustrated discography. The uploader (Jarod0139) readily states that he/she copied it from (http://www.caboverde.com/evora/evora.jpg).

Beware, Wikipedia Admins. --AVM 13:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A bit of clarification needed

What was her first album?

According to the article: "And thanks to the women's association, she remained to record her first album. This proved to be a major turning point in her life.

While recording her album she met a Frenchman of Cape Verdian descent named Jose Da Silva who persuaded her to go to Paris where she recorded a new album, La diva aux pieds nus (The Barefoot Diva) in 1988....

Discography 1. La Diva aux pieds nus - 1988"

The article says that La diva aux pieds nus is her second album, but the discography list says otherwise. Arthurian Legend 15:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

oh and one more thing, does she sing in Portuguese or in Portuguese-Creole from Cape Verde?

[edit] Talk:Cesária Évora/Temp - New Article with Copy Violation Removed

Talk:Cesária Évora/Temp has newly edited text which removes the violation. --Kevin Murray 10:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

There was a bit of a mixup when another editor moved this temporary page, thinking it was an article made in the wrong space. I have (I hope) moved it back so it is as it was. Rockpocket 23:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not acceptable

This is still Copyvio. Either write this from scratch, or delete the article. Moving sentences around and changing adjectives here and there just makes this a hodgepodge copyvio, but does not solve the problem. For example:

Britannica Profiles: http://search.eb.com/women/article-9404031 AME: http://africanmusic.org/artists/evora.html

Article: "Cesária Évora, is a notable folk singer, known as the "barefoot diva" because she frequently appears on stage in her bare feet, to bring attention to the homeless and poor women and children in her country"

AME: "Cesaria Evora... is known as the barefoot diva because of her propensity to appear on stage in her bare feet in support of the disadvantaged women and children of her country."

Article: "She is recognized as the queen of the morna, a soulful genre which evolved from the Portuguese fado sung in the Creole-Portuguese language. Her voice is finely tuned with a touch of hoarseness. She is routinely accompanied by guitar, cavaquinho, violin, accordion, and clarinet."

AME: "Long known as the queen of the morna, a soulful genre sung in Creole-Portuguese... Evora's voice, a finely-tuned, melancholy instrument with a touch of hoarseness... with the acoustic sounds of guitar, cavaquinho, violin, accordian, and clarinet."

Article: "Even audiences who do not understand her language can appreciate the emotions of her performances, which often portray her nation's long and troubled history of isolation and slave trade, as well as emigration – nearly 70% of the Cape Verdean living citizens are expatriates.."

AME: "Even audiences who do not understand her language are held spell-bound by the emotions evident in her performances... Evora's Cape Verdean blues often speak of the country's long and bitter history of isolation and slave trade, as well as emigration: almost two-thirds of the million Cape Verdeans alive live abroad."

Ori Redler 18:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

As mentioned earlier, I do understand the seriousness of copyvio, but what is so sacred about infomation at http://africanmusic.org/artists/evora.html. In all my time on wikipedia, I have never seen an internet article so well guarded and protected. Muntuwandi 18:32, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing sacred about that information, except that it is not ours to take without permission. I am not guarding this article, but more annoyed by the fact that the copyvio label is removed time and again without rewriting the copyrighted material, and this is not the first time I've encountered this either, which makes it even more annoying, and I'm even more annoyed that when someone notes politely that this is copied nothing is done (see above) so I need to bother with this time and again. Ori Redler 01:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please, stop this copyvio "party"

I've noted, rather then adding a copyvio label again, that there is still a copyvio problem here, but instead of solving it it is extended by copying still more from the sources I've mentioned above. Please, rewrite the whole article or there will be no choice except labelling it as copyvio again. 18:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless any wikipedian can have a personal interview with evora, we'll need to rely on these sources for information. In its current form the article does not rely heavily on one source but on several that are all cited in the external links. I do not understand why this article is being picked on.Muntuwandi 01:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

You seem to miss a crucial point here: it doesn't matter how many sources you rely on -- you can rely on one or ten -- and it doesn't really matter how heavily you rely on any of them, and it isn't even crucial if you cite them or reference them -- what matters is that you (and others) copy passages from those sources verbatim. Ori Redler 13:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

In a sense it does matter. If an article contains multiple sources it will become more unique and will not resemble any one single source.Muntuwandi 15:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it does matter: if you copy verbatim from multiple sources, that aggravates the situation, because it is not only a copyright violation, but one you try to hide. Ori Redler 17:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deletion of Previous Version

I'm late to this discussion -- I'm just curious, what happened to the earlier version of the article, and why was it junked? Appreciate any light anyone could shed. —GGreeneVa 18:20, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

It was deleted and replaced with the current version because of copyright violations. It is essentially the same old copied article (i.e., also copyvio). Ori Redler 17:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)