Talk:Certified Information Systems Security Professional

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[edit] Page Moved

This page has been moved from CISSP. CISSP now redirects here (Certified Information Systems Security Professional). I cleaned up related requests in this talk page. --J Morgan^(talk) 21:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Criticism Added

There are many people who dislike the CISSP for what they feel are legitimate reasons. I've added information about this to help balance this otherwise skewed-positive article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 157.238.209.10 (talk • contribs) 21:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Positive skew, no spin/zero spin. What-ever!. <personnal observation> Negative comments, to some people AKA criticism (criticism != critique) do not balance an article </personnal observation>. Luis F. Gonzalez 01:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I added a clarification to the Criticism section regarding the requirement to be sponsored by another CISSP. --Mark Odiorne, CISSP 10:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

An anonymous user just tried to delete the entire criticism section. I restored it, because the criticisms are at least somewhat legitimate. They probably need to be toned down a bit or made more factual and less argumentative. Several of them were openly stated in a CISSP review session my local ISSA chapter ran, and some matched my personal (successful) experience on the exam. RossPatterson 04:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

After adding the logo I also noted that the criticism section was deleted, yet I thought twice before choosing not to restore the section. Although I have contributed several items to the criticism section, in principle I have come to agree/believe that the section is not appropriate. First, the negative comments of this section originated from an anonymous user who provided no attributions to reliable sources. These kind of attacks, in my experience, largely come from those who fail the exam or who have a motive to discount the CISSP. Second, the tone of the criticisms lacked professionalism. Third, several of the criticisms are clearly contradictory--the test is too general and the test is too detailed.... Like Ross, I have taken the exam (successfully). It is true that it is a difficult test, probably the most challenging in the field. As a 20 year information security professional who holds several credentials, I have practiced in government, academia and industry and seen many standards and certifications come and go. Yet the CISSP is the most enduring and well regarded. It is the benchmark in the profession. It is also well accepted that the CISSP testing meets accepted psychometric standards. I would suggest that the existing section dedicated to "criticism" is negatively biased and unwarranted. At the same time I agree there are legitimate concerns, but would be comfortable with a more objective (and proportionally appropriate) statement in the main entry that acknowledges criticisms that are justifiable and attributed to a reliable, objective source. Let's continue to talk... Michael Carter CISA, CISSP, CNSP, CSA 10:01, 10 March 2007 (MST)

After reading the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View (NPOV) Policy, I am convinced that we need to rework the article to appropriately include the criticisms. The result, in my opinion, would be significant. The NPOV requires that views should be presented fairly, neutrally, analytically without bias or undue weight, etc. The operational principle (simple formulation) is “assert facts, including facts about opinions — but do not assert the opinions themselves.” Michael Carter 12:04, 11 March 2007 (MST)

Yup. The other major Wikipedia policy is Attribution, and some of the "critcism" statements would sit better if cited from published works. I'm pretty sure Shon Harris, among others, has made the "mile wide and an inch deep" claim, and she's certainly a reliable source. Sounds like it's time for a trip to the library! RossPatterson 18:31, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

I happen to have one of the Shon Harris books on my desk. Mike Meyers' Certification Passport: CISSP. ISBN 0-07-222578-5. Page xxi - "[The exam] is commonly referred to as a mile wide and an inch deep." She offers no real criticism at any point in the book, though. -Jzerocsk 17:10, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ISO 17024:2003

Can someone get more references on this since it does not appear to be an accreditation process as such. E.g. ISO gets on a plane, visits (ISC)2, performs audits and delivers a big thumbs up or down. Luis F. Gonzalez 05:52, 27 December 2006 (UTC)