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[edit] Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

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[edit] Christ Illusion

Hi Ceoil, I've been keeping an eye on your sandbox and the rough version of Three Studies for Figures at the Base of a Crucifixion is shaping up rather nicely, so much congratulations on that. I'm just enquiring as to whether you feel the "Recording" section of "Christ Illusion" is up to standard now, or you feel it needs more work before the article can be submitted to FAC? What are your thoughts? I'm really grateful to have someone more knowledgable with the process really helping. LuciferMorgan 21:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. The sequence of events you laid out on my page isn't correct at all unfortunately, so I'm going have to clear it all up. I'm sure there's a Jeff Hanneman interview from April'ish which'll help clear a few things up. As concerns Rubin being executive producer, he's their label boss so can do what he wishes lol - he was switching his distributors from Columbia back to Warner (I'm going to have to put that in the article). Also they found out about Metallica after the album was wrapped, and Brian Warwick is an assistant engineer in Westlake Studios, and not a producer. This is implied by the start of the sentence which explains Dave Colvin being an assistant engineer at NRG Studios. I'm going have to overlook the section again to clarify things.

Thanks for your advice on the actual FAC itself - I'll make sure in my nomination that I ask contributors to say they contributed to the article in their votes. I've noticed music articles are slow in picking up comments for some reason - biographical based articles seem to attract more comments it seems, but I spend more time in the FAR room than the FAC room. I'm real grateful to know that someone as experienced as yourself will be able to help me should I need any once the article's at FAC. LuciferMorgan 22:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Which aspects of the "Recording" section do you wish to be clarified? LuciferMorgan 23:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, so I'm assuming you mean the parent label switch, ie. American Recordings changing distributors. I'll rectify that. (PS - They don't have any intention of leaving American Recordings though as they've been there for years. If you knew the way Kerry King is about people in interviews, you'd know what I mean). LuciferMorgan 23:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

True, I'll agree you seem to have a wide knowledge on music. Give me just tonight, and I'll have a go on that Rubin section. Then you can have a look and do whatever you feel necessary on Friday and Saturday like you said. Once again, thanks. LuciferMorgan 23:28, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I've done the major rewrite to the "Recording" section, and given it a major rearrangement. It's more chronological than the previous version - feel free to copy edit the section and weed out any redundancies you may find. Thanks in advance for this help. LuciferMorgan 02:50, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think the article is ready for me to take to FAC now? LuciferMorgan 21:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] coil article

I added additional sources to the places you recommended. is this sufficient? and how long does it take for a FAC to be on the front wikipedia page? --AlexOvShaolin 03:03, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy Metal

Ok, I'll see what i can do M3tal H3ad 00:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Most notable metalcore band is Trivium, so i guess they would be a good one. Something from their album Ascendancy, probably "Like light to the flies" or "Pull harder on the strings of your martyr" M3tal H3ad 10:04, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have no suggestions re sound files, though I'd go for pioneers of the respective subgenres. If you know whom is deemed so (I always thought Venom was classed as the precursor to Black Metal), then feel free to add them to the article as you see fit. LuciferMorgan 21:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

First of all abide by WP:NPA, do not personally attack me again. I have explained to you twice already that WP:STALK states; "This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason."

Second of all. You are not Sylvia von Harden, you didn't paint Portrait of the Journalist in 1926.[1] You also don't own all of the images or music media in which I have fixed the tags to either. Images need the correct tags or else they are in violation of Wikipedia's official upload policy. Hope this helps. - Deathrocker 01:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You're not very good at this whole obiding by policy thing are you? Claiming my logic is "specious", when I'm merely pointing out Wikipedia's official policy to you, is both a personal attack and bad faith on your part.

You contacted me, requesting information... and so I replied attempting to make things clear, now you're not interested?.. ooooookay. - Deathrocker 01:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

<silence> Ceoil 01:46, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freak Out!

Hi. You have not revisited your evaluation on the article Freak Out! I feel that your concerns have been addressed, and that it is well deserving of a "support" vote. Please take a look at the article and reevaluate its state. (Ibaranoff24 05:13, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Heavy Metal dispute

I have left a comment to Deathrocker. The Heavy Metal talk page has obviously strayed from "comment on the content, not the person." I suggest keeping solely focused on content issues and not addressing Deathrocker directly. Also: read through Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and its sub-pages and try to properly tag your images, where they are not. Marskell 05:25, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

My advice: retain diffs and comments you feel you need to, but do not pursue this or post regarding it further if the editor leaves you alone. In fact, you might post to them again, and solely (and of course with civility) comment on content. Marskell 19:23, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Ceoil, my last post to User:Deathrocker clearly indicates the potential for blocking. While I understand you have concerns, intervening on my talk or his or her talk, unless specifically asked to do so, is disruptive. Not that you can't; I'm suggesting you don't. Marskell 21:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What's doing?

Having fun being stalked yet? I admit I was terribly annoyed at first, but now that our petulant little pal has targeted me a second time, I realize it's a fine opportunity to bring my images up to code en masse. Though if you'd like to pursue some sort of sanctions at any time, I can not only resummon my ire but provide evidence of much less defensible actions [2].—DCGeist 17:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I certainly agree that Wikipedia, both as an encyclopedia and as a community, would be improved immeasurably without Deathrocker's current and well-established manner of participation. I'm at your disposal.—DCGeist 17:57, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

I've been around long enough to witness his contentious relations with fellow editors. Over a year ago there was this sprawling debate between Deathrocker and a user named Leyasu. In that debate I tried to mediate a little between the pair because they both had their occasional points even if they were insanely stubborn about them. However now the heavy metal article is in the midst of a FAR, something that requires concetrated effort and cooperation, and I'm finding it difficult to get work done when he flies increasingly in the face of consensus as well as reverts multiple editors (I don't even want to mention how he threw in an "Object" vote on The Smashing Pumpkins' FAC, which he is certainly free do to, but given his debates with me and Geist on the punk rock talk page I can't help but feel it was a bit suspect). WesleyDodds 08:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please stop stalking me

Will you please stop stalking me and hounding me, as you have done here?[3][4] When you have absolutely nothing that makes sense, to say... I suggest you take Marskell's advice and leave me alone, unless commenting on content. Some of us have better things to do, like working on the project, thanks. - Deathrocker 20:10, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Very funny. See you in court. Ceoil 20:12, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

You're the one stalking, i removed POV edits from Heavy Metal then you replaced them, i reverted then you go around tagging all the images i've uploaded? Woah big man. Some editors such as Ceoil are trying to improve the article whereas you're an obstacle in improving the article - your unhelpful edits are not needed. M3tal H3ad 03:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Issue de table

Well, the feast is over for this time, and off we go into a period of intellectual fast. But mayhaps will we meet again some day to make more medieval merry! My regards to you for your comments at the nomination.

sincerely,
Peter ^Isotalo 07:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Campbell's Soup Cans FAC

I thank you for your editorial contributions to my FAC nominee, Campbell's Soup Cans. I agreed with the majority of your editing and reverted what I disagree with. Let me know if you feel strongly about the changes I have reverted in this edit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 16:03, 10 March 2007 (UTC).

I should be thanking you. You have done some great copyeditting. I was wondering 2 things. First, if you like the article why haven't you posted your support at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Campbell's Soup Cans. Second, it seems you have decided not to copyedit the last few sections. Is there a reason? TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:28, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

If you are planning to support as you indicate, the sooner the better, because they can close out a FAC at any time after 10 days, I believe and I am going on day 14. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:41, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I am not an art student. There is probably a technically correct word that I don't know. Anyone can edit. Maybe someone knows. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 14:29, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rhinoceros soundclip

Hey, I added the "Rhinoceros" soundclip back to The Smashing Pumpkins a week or to ago based upon FAC recommendation of including one clip per album. Unfortunately, I added it back after all the other clips were reduced in quality. I asked the editor who did the reducting on the other clips for help on making the "Rhinoceros" clip fit standards, but he hasn't responded. Have you figured out how to reduce clips to the preferred quality yet? Also, the song is 31 second; we should trim a few off at the end for stronger Fair Use. WesleyDodds 08:58, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eyes of the Insane

Hi Ceoil, I was just wish to once again thank you for your help with Christ Illusion. At the moment I'm thinking of elevating "Eyes of the Insane" to GA status which I think is possible, and maybe FA if enough sources are available. Right now it's at peer review, so any feedback you may have is greatly welcomed. LuciferMorgan 21:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for giving the article a copyedit, which is much appreciated. That should aid it in its GAC :) LuciferMorgan 22:30, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Angel of Death

Thanks for giving it a copy edit, just to let you know I'm going to take to FAC soon and would appreciate it if you could give it a look, both prose and content wise (anything missing). If you don't have time then no probs, thanks for your time :) oh and some idiot vandalized your page. M3tal H3ad 12:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, much appreciated. Do you think its ready for FAC? M3tal H3ad 12:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

again, thanks for your help with the article :) M3tal H3ad 07:34, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nice copyedits on kulintang article!

Good job on those copyedits. I'm watching you as you do this and its great. I REALLY needed a copyeditor. Thanks so much. PhilipDM 22:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Slayer FACs

I agree with your assessment of "Angel of Death" as being close to FAC which Metalhead seems keen to take there, but I don't think "Eyes of the Insane" is nor "Jihad" (another Slayer song I rewrote if you wish to copyedit it sometime, which would be real appreciated). "Eyes of the Insane" has all the info currently available (the song came out in August 2006) in the article save for paper sources which I don't have access to in order to check, so likely some may object for the article not being comprehensive (same with "Jihad"). So, what are your thoughts as regards these articles? LuciferMorgan 18:28, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The only thing I can add to "Eyes" is that King thinks the song is crap to play on the guitar really. I can't see much more information being available, unless someone releases some sorta book on the band. If you honestly think it's close to FA material though, once it's GAC nomination has finished contact me as concerns how the article can be improved (aside from adding content I don't have) and I'll be only too happy to work it up towards nomination. Thanks for being willing to have a look at "Jihad", which I think could pass GA at least (hopefully FAC one of these days). LuciferMorgan 18:42, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Metal press is largely boring to be honest. As concerns the Beatles songs, there used to be a lot more song FAs than there is (I FAR'ed a load), but some are left. I don't like their structure really. Once "Eyes" is through its GAC, I'll FAC it after the addressing of any 1. a. concerns you may have with the article. I'll leave "Jihad (song)" until this is out of the way. Thanks for all your help which is much appreciated - I hope your articles are going well. LuciferMorgan 19:10, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

With "Jihad" I need to add a sound clip. You know anyone who can do this? Thanks for your time. LuciferMorgan 19:20, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for adding a sound clip which is much appreciated. One thing though; on the fair use rationale it says 30 seconds is used, which doesn't qualify as fair use. Since the song is 3:31 or 211 seconds, only 21 seconds of the song can qualify as fair use per Wikipedia:Music samples which would be 10% of the song (which is the limit). Is there a way you can cut the fair use sample by 9 seconds? And on "Eyes of the Insane", can you cut it by 10 so that will qualify as fair use? And also, can you cut 2 seconds on "Cult" in the Christ Illusion article so that counts? Thanks, I'm real grateful for everything. LuciferMorgan 21:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. You never know who will pop up at FAC so it's best to cover all bases. I noticed you signed up to the Project, and you're a welcome addition too :) LuciferMorgan 21:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy metal and pedal point

No problem, mate! I've just added some other explanations about pedal point. Btw feel free to correct my english in my recents edits.Frédérick Duhautpas 17:32, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Consecutive fifth

No problem. I will provide the source about the consecutive fifths soon. Basically that's absolutely not a problem to provide it, as any harmony textbook can confirm that. But english wikipedia editors seem to demand exclusively english speaking sources and as I'm not living in a english speaking country, I have to go to the library to get some proprer english speaking sources. I will do that within this week. Same goes as fror the pedal point stuff. No problem.Frédérick Duhautpas 17:42, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I provided the sources you asked. I picked some english speaking ones.

As for your correction and reformulation, it was perfect...Thanks! Greetings Frédérick Duhautpas 22:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Heavy metal soundclips

I was looking the NWOBHM soundclips currently available on Wikipedia, and oftentimes they were a minute long. COuld you possibly (if you have it) add a fair us soudnclip of Iron Maiden's "Purgatory" to the page? WesleyDodds 18:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

I picked "Purgatory" because it showcases the punk influence mixed with classical influence. Plus it's fucking awesome. WesleyDodds 19:01, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

For "mainstream dominance" I think we can take out the Iron Maiden cover since we have some Iron Maiden media there with the soundclip. We could probably have one or two more soundclips for that section. Possible suggestions include: Van Halen, solo Ozzy, Motley Crue, Guns 'N Roses. Also, the Trivium soundclip seems more appropriate for the "Recent trends" section. For nu metal I'm thinking the clip should be Korn's "Freak on a Leash" or Slipknot's "Wait and Bleed". WesleyDodds 23:56, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Campbell's Soup Cans

Previously you stated support at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Campbell's Soup Cans. Debate has been reset. I would appreciate confirmation of your support. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:42, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nick Drake Main Page nomination

Good luck on the nomination! I hope both our nominations get selected since that would be quite a coup for the folk music genre! Woo hoo! :-) Kmzundel 12:21, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I can be patient when necessary!  ;-) Kmzundel 20:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] teh Cur3

You wouldn't happen to have any Cure soundclips would you? The Cure is the current Alternative WikiProject collaboration, and we could use a few more. WesleyDodds 04:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Early stuff, later stuff, important stuff. Thete's quite a few Cure soundclips that would be relevant. A few off the top of my head (that aren't there already) include "Killing An Arab", "Boys Don't Cry", "One Hundred Years", "Friday I'm in Love", and "The End of the World." Use your discretion on which ones to add. WesleyDodds 07:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

I just came back from vacation and on the train ride there and back I wittled my time away by finally reading all the Cure articles in my copy of the NME Originals Goth issue, so I'm going to add a bunch of quotes and citations soon. WesleyDodds 07:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Rip out what you think needs to go. I also happen to have Never Enough; I just haven't gotten round to reading it. Most of my time browsing through it has consisted of being tickled by Robert Smith's wedding photo (seriously, Robert? Couldn't you at least have worn nice shoes?)

I'm starting to fill out the new sections I created, such as "Musical style" and "legacy". Add any important aspect you can find. I'm also tryig to figure out a way to include this quote from a 2005 issue of SPIN I have about Smith's opinion of the whole goth question. I've thought about cutting it down and just making a quote box in the "Musical style section". Here's the complete response to the interviewer:

"Spin: Whether or not you consider yourself goth, it's always going to be part of your legacy, isn't it?

"Robert Smith: No, I don't think it will. These days, if the major publications in the U.S. or the U.K. ever call us goth, it's always qualified. Goth pop or goth rock. Goth alt-rockers. Goth alt-pop stars. It's never just goth on its own. The goth tag is slowly disappearing. I think people are beginning to realize that it isn't really a good way of summing up what the Cure does. But when we did the MTV Europe Icon show last year, I wanted Marilyn Manson to host it. So I'm not denying . . . [Long pause] I'm quite happy to embrace it. It doesn't bother me in the slightest."

I find this quote hilarious because it starts off "No, goth is too limiting a term to describe the band" and ends up "I'm happy with the band being called goth". WesleyDodds 22:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

We can probably use this Guitar World article to help fill out the "Musical style" section. WesleyDodds 03:22, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I usually only buy a magazine if there's a feature that interests me (which makes me wonder really why did I pass on that Joy Division Mojo cover story last month?). I have nearly two years' worth of Spin issues just because I got a free subscription for going to CMJ two years in a row. I might still be able to find it around here; we have a magazine store in town that carries a lot fo stuff. On a related topic, I've found I really don't care about the Cure's history prior to "A Forest" (given I've been filling out references from that period onwards). I might need you to fix up any discrepancies and citations needed in the "Formation and early years" section.

In other news, we've still got to finish referencing the Recent Trends and Themes sections on heavy metal music. Aside from that, we've got to format all the external link references. Then we're pretty much done, unless you can think of anything else that needs fixing. WesleyDodds 23:29, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll work that in over the next few days. I also dig the Morrissey diss ("At least I've got two songs, 'The Lovecats' and 'Faith'"). WesleyDodds 00:36, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black Metal

So...wtf?? Other people (including yourself) are allowed to edit the article, but Im not? Dude. As far as I can see, youre not even a Wikipedia mod or anything. I should not have to raise a conversation on the talk page when noone else contributes to it as it is an absolutely pathetic summary of black metal, and I already have rewritten it. Why cant I? I dont care if the article is "under review"...this is fixing it...Isilioth 06:14, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celestiial

Hi there Ceoil. I have been in contact with LuciferMorgan of late, and he said to me that you were an editor who was particuarly good at reviewing music articles, and so, if you have time, I would very much appreciate it if you could take a look at Celestiial, which I have been writing recently, and make any reccomendations you have as to ways to improve the article. Thanks. J Milburn 18:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I have the album myself, I have never bothered uploading sound files before- could well be a good time to start! I look forward to your comments. J Milburn 17:18, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bam Thwok

The problem is that I can't see to find any professional reviews, written or web. All I can find is blog reviews; that user review on BBC seems to the most reliable one I can find. Should I remove the critical reaction parts, or acknowledge they are fan reviews? CloudNine 19:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

For now, I've acknowledged that the reviews come from fans. CloudNine 08:29, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Homer's Enemy

It was giving me quite a challenge as well; I've been pressed for time lately, so I haven't had the time to correct anything but the most obvious issues. — Deckiller 22:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks good. — Deckiller 21:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SLTS

Thanks for all the edits to Smells Like Teen Spirit. You wouldn't happen to have any UK press reviews of the song would you? I'm particularly curious as to what the original NME and Melody Maker reviews of the single have to say, if it was even reviewed before the album broke through. WesleyDodds 00:53, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

My list of sources I own has prompted the creation of this, so if you feel like adding anything, that would be great.

I haven't read the talk pages, but I'm sure the whole "DaddyCool" thing is misguidely humorous. The other day I was combing through my contributions logs and said to myself, "Hey! I never posted the the talk page of some person named . . .oh. Well, that's something." WesleyDodds 01:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I can also use these for the Nevermind article. Do you happen to have the day for the New York Times article at the top? WesleyDodds 11:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Alternative music and sources

As part of the Alternative music WikiProject, we're gathering a list of sources on this page. Could you take a look and perhaps add any written references you have access to? Thanks! CloudNine 10:01, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peer

Amazing work with that article! — Deckiller 14:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thanks again for the copyedit to RIB, also feel free to put Angel of Death under "Articles contributed to:" if you wish, because your copy edit it brought up the writing standard. Thanks again (Seeing Slayer this Thursday :D) M3tal H3ad 02:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)