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[edit] Unsourced Information, Unsubstantiated Claims, NPOV

I have removed several unsourced quotes from persons assoicated with the CSC, and materials that violate WP:NPOV, specifically relating to funding of the program.Truthologist 04:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I see the Creative Response Concepts PR campaign on behalf of the Discovery Institute has extended to this article and beyond deletionism to making exaggerated claims: [1]

"CSC conducts scientific and academic research into the theory of intelligent design." 1) There is no ID "theory". 2) Exactly what specific scientific and academic research program is there? The DI has never point to an actual research program and the Judge in the Dover said there isn't any in his ruling: [2]
Changing "The Center is funded through the Discovery Institute, which is largely underwritten by grants and gifts from wealthy Christian fundamentalist conservative individuals and groups" to "The Center is funded through the Discovery Institute, which has received grants and gifts from wealthy Christian fundamentalist conservative individuals and groups" is clearly a POV whitewash. As detailed at the DI article and in the source here provided the DI's CSC was completely underwritten by Howard Ahmanson Jr., Philip F. Anschutz, Richard Mellon Scaife, and the MacLellan Foundation: "Discovery Institute, however, with its $4 million annual budget ($1.2 million of which is for the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture) is heavily funded by evangelical Christians. Maclellan Foundation of Chattanooga, Tenn., for example, awarded $350,000 to the institute with the hope researchers would be able to prove evolution to be a false theory. Fieldstead & Co., owned by Howard and Robert Ahmanson of Irvine, Calif., pledged $2.8 million through 2003 to support the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture." [3] and [4]
Changing "This group formed the CSC and has continued to operate through it, forming the nucleus of the movement, which it remains to this day, with both Johnson and Meyer serving as CSC officers." to "This group was instrumental in forming the CSC and has continued to operate through it, forming the nucleus of the movement." As the cited Johnson interview [5] says, Meyer, Johnson, Nelson and others formed the CSC. And they remain there today: [6] Claiming ""This group was instrumental" instead of "This group formed" the CSC is weasely, ambiguous, and unsupported.
"CSC director, Stephen C. Meyer, admits most of the Center's money comes from wealthy donors from the Christian right." Was and is supported by the Washington Post article found in the same section: "We'll take money from anyone who wants to give it to us," Meyer said. "Everyone has motives. Let's acknowledge that and get on with the interesting part." --Stephen C. Meyer, Washington Post, 2005 [7]

So, once again I've had to restore accurate, supported deleted by you, and I've added additional cites just so it's clear. FeloniousMonk 12:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)