User talk:CelticWonder

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[edit] Citations for Light pollution article

Hi CelticWonder. Thanks for the recent additions to the Light pollution article. I was wondering if you have any citations of sources available for the statements you've added, though. (Particularly the note about elevated blood pressure and stress under fluorescent lights, and the dimished sexual performance.) It wouldn't surprise me too much, but the article in general looks better if it can back things up with citations. Thanks. Izogi 08:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

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Oops, my mistake. Serves me right for not reading the diffs properly. Thanks. Izogi 07:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] PC Club

By common consent the editing of articles on companies by their employees can be problematic. I suggest you take a step back.

--Just zis Guy you know? 11:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for watching over the PC Club page... But if Wikipedia can have pages like TravelMate 2300 that is a verbatim copy of an advertisement, or the likes of Emachines can link to reviews, I see no reason why system reviews cannot be posted for PC Club. If you would please notice, only one of them is mentioned on their website anyway -- and the newest one of the three is NOT favorable (note the tech support score at the preceding link to HardOCP), which is why all THREE are added to the wiki page. I really should note on the Wiki article that PC Club HQ representatives were eager to supply true rebuttals for such a poor score (instead of gloss over the issue like so many other companies do) and that HardOCP gave "kudos to PC Club for giving [them] some explanations as to what is going on with their company." I'll leave that addition to your discretion.

And if an article about any company was created by a person who wasn't associated with it in some way, why in the world would they do it? Wouldn't someone who is involved with a company be better equipped to make an informative (and less biased) page than someone who is not or even has animosity toward it? Your comment "By common consent the editing of articles on companies by their employees can be problematic. I suggest you take a step back." makes no sense. Apple may as well have third parties like Microsoft or Dell write their website for them by that logic, and leave Apple out of contribution to their own website.

--CelticWonder 05:27, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

The answer is that it can't have those things. They should be cleaned up. The possible exception is the link to a PC magazine review, which should be properly included using the <ref> syntax, which is there to support the assertion that not all their machines were crap.

As to editing your own employer, that is not a good idea. Really. Look at WP:NPOV. How can you be entirely neutral about a company that pays your salary? Look at WP:NOR. Can you show that every fact you've included has been published in reputabl;e secondary sources, rather than being stuff you know by virtue of your position? These are firm and non-negotiable policies. Just zis Guy you know? 08:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Quote from HardOCP's method: HardOCP doesn’t "review" systems, we evaluate the experiences they facilitate. We order the system the same as you would and evaluate every aspect of the end-user experience. -- They are quite as unbiased as can get, which is why consumers value their opinion so much, same as Steve's DigiCams. I 100% agree that a review is worthless if it is influenced in some way. Here is a link to a non-affiliated member of HardOCP's forum, providing a critique of HardOCP and of PC Club's response.

Just because taking initiative to create a Wiki article is considered by some as a bad idea doesn't conclusively mean that it is -- and the WP:BAI page states in the first paragraph that "it is not policy", merely a suggestion. The PC Club page, with all necessary fact checking, citations, and NPOV, is one of those exceptions.

This page passes the test of WP:NOR - Reputable Publication, paragraph 3, in that EVERY fact is now cited from outside sources.

I didn't just sit down one day and type up a bunch of bs PR for PC Club. Note: WP:NOR - Good Research -- One of my motivations was a recent mention of our former CEO, and almost by accident I noticed that PC Club didn't have a wiki page, after almost 14 years of business. If the worst anyone can do to derail my "POV" is bicker about whether the word often or sometimes is used on the page, I'm doing a pretty good job. The only info I cannot prove as of yet is the information about the current CEO Jeff Lan because it's just what I've been told, so I added the {{fact}} tags.

Thanks for reading. --CelticWonder 17:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)