Talk:Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks

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"the Times Newspapers Ltd. report is not particularly helpful". Not particularly helpful? To whom, and to what? Aye... Aye-- to you, and to your agenda! Do you say the Times of London is a lesser publication than your German sources? Oh do not say it, for I delight not in mockery. Why must I vouch for the Times reporter when you vouch not for your German reporters? Eloquence. Eloquence. We need more than Eloquence, we need honesty!... Now give an honest reason other than "not particularly helpful" and we may avoid an edit war. (Sorry, I just finished watching Othello) JDG 06:35, 12 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Have you actually read my edit comment? Also note that I did not remove the report. As for the German reports, which I watched as they happened, they showed the video of the celebrations in full length. The Times report includes neither pictures nor video -- it just makes a claim without backing it up. It does not even name a correspondent. Don't you think Israeli newspapers would have jumped all over this if it had happened? Instead they showed the same pictures you're seeing in the article. I'm not saying it never happened, I'm just saying the evidence so far is rather weak.—Eloquence 17:57, Sep 12, 2003 (UTC)

Yes I read your edit comment, but I hadn't noticed you moved/changed the reference to the Times piece-- so I thought you'd blown it away completely. I will investigate more & probably beef up evidence for large number of celebrants. Readers will be able to follow links and decide for themselves. BTW, thanks, Eloquence, for being one of the more active Wikipedians. I think we have something great going here-- our equivalent to what came out of the 19th century French salons.

I agree, Wiki is great fun and very useful, but you inevitably become a bit paranoid about the articles you started or rewrote -- I did not mean to be rash. Please do add more details if you find them. As for comparing two revisions of an article, did you know that you can see a list of the specific changes between two versions by clicking on the "cur" (compare to current version) and "last" (compare to last version) links on the history link?—Eloquence 00:25, Sep 13, 2003 (UTC)

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You may also compare the reporting of first the celebrations and then how quitet it was when it turned out to be true. Also compare that with that nothing was mentioned about celebrations in Israel after the Flash Airlines Flight 604 crash. [1] // Liftarn

- Aljazirra Report of "such" a response from former prime minister Netanyahu, neither celebrations in israel of the attacks are not solid proof that these events actually happaned. Aljazirra is widely known for its Anti-Israeli state of view.

[edit] Questionable claim

In numerous cities of the Islamic world,

September 11 was again celebrated in 2002, 2003, and 2004 with crowded streets filled with dancing chanting men and celebratory gunfire, documented at al-Jazeera and very briefly in the Western media.

Direct citation please. When, where, who, how, what was the reaction?--Eloquence*

[edit] Sources

Ok, Snopes and Der Spiegel are good sources, but something that looks like a forum, freedomdomain.com (it labells itself "Freedom Domain Political Conspiracies Hemp Marijuana Freemen" and that doesn't inspire confidence) and a Tripod personal page are not really reliable sources. Can we agree to remove them? // Liftarn