Talk:Cavalier

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was move. Do not revert this move. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 09:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Cavaliers (royalists) → Cavalier Primary meaning of the word. "Cavaliers (royalists)" was moved from Cavaliers yesterday, before the name had one plural now it has two! There are around 400 wiki pages linked to this topic none of the others pages with the word Cavalier in them come close to that number of links --Philip Baird Shearer 01:03, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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• Support Makes perfect sense to me. Standard should be to use the singular form in its most common meaning as the base article. - PKM 19:37, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
• Support That's a good idea to move it. It's very silly for cavalier to redirect to one particulary form of it. - Laserbeamcrossfire
• Support Seems very sensible indeed. Vanky 10:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose In truth I support a move but not nessecerily this move. "Cavaliers (royalists)" does need some changing, yet with all the cavalier (disambiguation) it seems improper to be placing this article as the Calavier. Cavaliers, as presented in the intorduction and on the Roundheads article seems like a sound alternative.Dryzen 13:54, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. —Nightstallion (?) ^{Seen this already?} 08:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

• Support a move that seems to have been properly made, then improperly reverted. The primary meaning is the royalist one, the others are derivative and minor. A search on the Paladin and Cavalry pages finds no mention of the word in articles that are supposedly a disambiguation of its meaning. Oddly, there is no mention of cavalier as an adjective which refers to the supposed attitude of the royalists. As said before, the standard should be the singular most common usage, which this clearly is. ...dave souza, talk 08:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Further discussion

Oppose Per above comment from Dryzen, pointing Cavalier(s) to this specific instance, albeit the apparent original occurence of this term. In addition, I've redirected all the instances of the above 400 to Cavaliers (royalists). Perhaps a double plural is invalid however having fixed each of the links to point to the specific article seems to fit the criteria above, so I'll move if there is not objection. NetK 02:02, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

You, Netkinetic, moved the page to "Cavaliers (royalists)" at 02:03, 29 April 2006, less than a minute after you posted the above. That does not seem to me a sufficient time to see if "there is not objection" to you reverting a WP:RM move! I object strongly to your reversion. This was an agreed WP:RM move, of which I informed you personally on the day I proposed the move [1] and here is your reply on my talk page [2]. --Philip Baird Shearer 09:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

My apologies Philip, you are correct that more time would have been appropriate. Definitely if there are substainable objections then it should revert to to point to royalist rather than disambiguation. I would ask, however, the you review the links I've deligently shifted to point to the cavalier specific article. This was the primary objection, 400 links towards cavalier, and these were dramatically reduced. Thank you. NetK 14:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Even if you have changed all the links from Cavalier and Cavaliers that does not nullify the comment that"There are around 400 wiki pages linked to this topic" the topic is "Cavalier", as a redirect it still counts as a page linked to Cavalier. --Philip Baird Shearer 15:03, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

The definition of cavalier(s) those articles were linked to related to the subject of royalists, not towards the other variants of the term. I'd altered the links on the majority of those pages to cavaliers (royalists) as the intent of those links was towards that context specific page. Once they were redirected, the count number of 400 pages toward "cavalier(s)" would no longer apply pragmatically. I will concede that the largest majority of references to this term is relating to royalists, however it is not in and of itself exclusive, and as an encyclopedic resource our intent should be to provide accessibility. Right or wrong, "cavalier(s)" is now a term with various definitions and I feel this resource should reflect as such. However, I will concede to consensus if upon further review the above due deligence has not substainably removed objections towards the move. NetK 15:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

There is only one significant definition, and a number of derivatives. KIndly "concede to consensus" forthwith. ..dave souza, talk 08:04, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

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