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[edit] I like you

I was just looking at some of your recent edits on Feminism. I have no complaints, I just want to tell you you're doing a great job improving that article. I'm currently involved in an argument/edit war with a ridiculously uncooperative editor (over mail-order bride) and it's so refreshing to see strong, neutral editing on a controversial topic. Please contact me if you ever need a third opinion in a dispute or something. --Grace 00:17, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The delation is not valid. The website deleted is an anti=feminist website under the heading that states websites that are opposed to feminism.

[edit] Thank you

I saw what you said on cisgender and I thank you. I have been trying to learn how to use wikipedia and I am still struggling, but I do know how to use a search engine. The first day that I had the words used on me I argued them on Talk:Voice feminization and was told that I was an idiot. The conversations on Talk:Voice feminization may not be useful for you to read, but they were useful as I calmly read what I could get and did more research and reading on what to do on WP. I was very tentative about taking out what AlexR put in, but everything I read said it was the right thing to do. Again, thank you.

FemVoice 19:54, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow! I was reading the information about you

I would love to discuss programming with you, but you are so far above me in knowledge that I am embarrased to even suggest that I could carry on an inteligent conversation.FemVoice 12:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits to Feminism

I was just making it a litle more interesting to read. --Street Scholar 09:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Did I add too much information and make it easy

Wow! Someone that actually will take what I say and look up the veiled reference. Yes, I have been doing research. I never expected you to actually look it up, but I should have known since you are doing a masters on usenet that you would understand. FemVoice 22:02, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Saying something about the where the word cisgender comes from

I want to argue because you are referencing a 'usenet article' but the way that you phrased it makes it very hard as you are giving it as a history of public use. And from what I recall, that is acceptable in general as you did it. I hope that you do not mind that I am removing from References, 'Carl Buijs', as it is not actually the original, but a personal web page that quoted a posting on usenet, and that is against Wikipedia policy on reliable references.FemVoice 23:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] If I may ask you since you have been here longer than I

I am an observer, and on Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-04 Cisgender I observed that my name was added as someone who was involved. Am I wrong in thinking that I should also add my comments into this page? My logic is that I should add them in because I am one of the parties involved.... But I don't know if that is correct or not?

[edit] What I do on my talk page

... is nobodys business but my own. And I will remove all references to this harassment in which you so happily participate. In case you are an admin, I would warn you not to block me myself, or you will have been an admin, since that would obviously not be proper behaviour. And why the heck should I let this BS stand there? As I said, solely my business. Maybe though you could have a word with your buddy FemVoice, who has removed lots of stuff from articles talk pages. But I guess this is a lesser crime. -- AlexR 12:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cisgender mediation

Hi, I'm entering at this point as a mediator as its obviously needed and I don't feel that the debate is getting anywhere. I've commented already and wasn't intending to step in, but I might as well. Are you and User:FemVoice ready to accept the presence of the definition of the cis(sex) terms in the cisgender article? I understand you questioning the terms as neologisms, have you ever come accross them at all outside wikipedia? Usrnme h8er 16:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, since AlexR has chosen not to partake in the mediation, I'm going to have to consider the mediation to have reached a consensus... Do you feel that you and User:FemVoice can agree about page content on the talk page? Or do you want the mediation to remain open? --Usrnme h8er 20:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Yo

How's it going, my old wikipedia friend? Good to see we haven't had any disagreements recently. Interestingstuffadder 01:53, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sex-positive feminism

On Ariel Levy addition: "POV (her critique is not more "nuanced" except according to people who like her work; etc." – Good call. I wanted to point out that Levy's criticisms were of a different nature than that of, say, Dworkin and MacKinnon, but the other information in the paragraph should sufficiently contextualize that. Iamcuriousblue 18:15, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Emoticon

Thank you. I was wondering what to do next. My simply reverting again, even though the user who was vandalising is blocked, would somehow have felt sterile. Your rvv has heartened me. I accept the user's right to object on talk pages to what s/he dislikes, but not their right to censor. Fiddle Faddle 15:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding 3rr

ok thanks for letting me know! 129.12.200.49 14:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William p. o'neill

Hi you incorrectly marked this article for speedy deletion with the db-bio template. The article does assert notability and so A7 is not applicable. Prod deleting is the correct method to use in this case. I suggest you have a read of this, if you have any questions regarding the deletion process then please ask me. --Wisden17 18:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Camille Paglia

Catamorphism, I don't know who the hell you are and I don't care. Camille Paglia is not a "sex-positive feminist"?????? Are you fucking nuts?? Do you know anything at all about her or what you are talking about??

Before you maliciously vandalize this article again with your bigotry and arrogance, maybe you should do some research on the subject. And if you take her name out of the article again, I will simply reverse your action!!!! Two can play your game! Wikipedia will not be held hostage to cretins like you who need to distort and deny plain facts to suit your own Orwellian agendas!!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaiwills (talk • contribs) 04:32, 17 July 2006.

[edit] Changes at Template:User cal

Hello, we changed the settings for the Cal userbox to allow you to personalize the text. Please check out the talk page for more info. ~ trialsanderrors 21:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interested in adminship?

While I disagree with your politics and most of your views on social policy, I think you are a serious, educated, thoughtful contributor, and I agree with your Wikipedia philosophies. I think that you would be an excellent administrator. I think Wikipedia has too many admins whose main interests and contributions involve TV shows, video games, fancruft, cartoons, and topics that are clearly unencyclopedic. You work on serious, encyclopedic content. You've shown excellent judgment and knowledge of policy, and I think you can be neutral in spite of your strong feelings on certain social issues. I am also interested in sexual issues, primarily in fixing or deleting silly, frivolous, and unsourced sexual articles. There seems to be a tendency around here to throw out the red herring of censorship whenever one is trying to get rid of a stupid sexual neologism that belongs in Urban Dictionary, not here. I've seen you in all areas of Wikipedia, and I know you have the experience, and I don't doubt that your RfA would be successful. I'd like to work with you to get the sexual nonsense out of here and make Wikipedia a source of solid sexual information, firmly grounded in science and medicine rather than urban legend, teen gossip, and pornography. Please let me know what you think at your earliest convenience. BTW, Nice guy syndrome is currently at AfD, nominated by me, and is going down in flames with a unanimous consensus to delete. Many are voting to delete based on your well-argued vote in the last AfD. You may want to vote again, but it may not be necessary. Erik the Rude 12:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The RfA has been created, and all you have to do is accept. Good luck on what I feel will be a wildly successful RfA. Erik the Rude 15:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I appreciate it! Catamorphism 15:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't had the energy/courage/insanity required to try to fight the fanatics at the various sex, orientation, and gender articles. However, from what I remember of you, you're probably better equipped than I to take on that juggernaut. Good luck, and if you ever need an advocate before the Arbitration Committee, let me know. Oh, and good luck on your RfA. Kelly Martin (talk) 16:41, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Idle Curiousity About Pronoun Choice

Hey, Catamorphism. I posted your RfA for Erik. Had a quick question — and it's merely one of idle curiousity, so feel free not to respond. Noticed you recently wrote, "I am, indeed, a 'them' and not a 'her'." Obviously, thus, your preference of pronoun is important to you, and I'm just curious as to the reasons behind your choice/preference. If it relates to something you'd rather not discuss due to it being personal or something (especially on Wikipedia where EditsAreUsuallyForever™), no problem, but figured I'd ask — I'm always in a learning mood. — Mike (talk • contribs) 21:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Optional Question on WP:RfA

Just wanted to give you a heads-up that I've offered up an additional optional question to hopefully clarify your position, in light of a few oppose votes you're getting. — Mike (talk • contribs) 14:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed User:Jaiwills from WP:PAIN

Hi Catamorphism,

I removed your report on WP:PAIN about User:Jaiwills. I warned Jaiwills about uncivil comments (it wasn't really a personal attack). I'm keeping him/her on my watchlist, and if there are further incidents I'm prepared to take swift action. Best, Gwernol 15:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More pronoun fun

Hi Catamorphism,

I happened across your RfA, found much to admire, and find our views on many matters are similar. I did want to drop a quick note regarding your pronoun of choice, though. While I respect your choice, regularly referring to any single person as "they" would give me a really bad headache -- I'm the child of an English teacher, and little subject-verb agreement demons are always dancing inside my skull. At the same time, being human, I'd rather not type out your username in full whenever I mention you more than once. As a third option for dunces like me with our own grammar hangups, have you ever considered ze or another modernly-coined alternative? Best wishes, Xoloz 00:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

"Words of support?" It is simply the truth: with the limited exception of the basic act of sexual reproduction (not yet fully overcome by science), gender is an optional social variable akin to race, free for any person to embrace or ignore as she, he, or ze chooses. Believe me, although I am reasonably contented as a male, being a dark-skinned fatso in a wheelchair allows me to see the evils of the heteronormative, gender-binarist aesthetic, among other things. Should you experience any intolerance here, I will gladly assist as best I can: do let me know. Best wishes, Xoloz 16:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Definitely not me

That person is definitely not me. But thank you for bringing it to my attention. I am willing to consider you doing this for me to be an olive branch. Interestingstuffadder 05:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Follow-up

If you need any further support from me at your RfA, let me know, but it looks like it will pass with no problem. I don't want to make it look like I'm doing any special pleading on your part. FYI, before I started using this account exclusively, I was a user that had a sort of argument with you on the Talk:Oral sex article, got extremely pissed off at you, and vowed that if anyone ever nominated you for admin, I'd do what I could to shoot it down. Well, I've mellowed, changed, started afresh, and realized that while you do have opinions that I consider (no offense intended) absolutely loony, I know that you will do an excellent job of enforcing policy as it is. I also think that you are desperately needed to combat the ever-growing threat of puerile sexual dicdefs and sexual urban legends that certain "pop culture" lovers raise a goddawful hue and cry over if they see them on AfD, an overreaction second only to a Trekker seeing a piece of Trek fancruft there. I think some of those folks on your RfA are being absolute shits, and you and I and they know who they are. I just hope their rantings will be overlooked by the closing bureaucrat. Also the "assume good faith" debate is ridiculous. You've already said you'll enforce the policy. What do they want? A self-confession like those Communist Party meetings they used to have in Laos as depicted in The Killing Fields, after which they take you out back and shoot you? I personally think WP:AGF is a decent idea that has been taken to ludicrous lengths. If you know somebody's being a total fuckhead, you shouldn't have to pretend for very long that they're not being a total fuckhead. You shouldn't have to leave your rational thought at the door when you enter Wikipedia. Erik the Rude 15:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Added Another Question to Your RfA

Of course, all user-added questions are entirely optional. But hopefully this will allow you to make a definitive, centralized statement regarding the scattershots on the question going on, which might help sway future votes. Dunno. — Mike 08:56, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a follow-up on this, 'cause I feel it needs to be said: I wasn't wild about asking that question, but I figured it might offer you the opportunity to pre-emptively address the concerns prior to future oppose votes. I don't think the question should, in a perfect world, have needed to be asked, but I felt its asking might, in this particular situation, be of benefit and not detriment to you in the long run. — Mike 02:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I have asked you a question on your Rfa. I am on the fence, and I need to ask this question because it may change my vote from oppose to, at minimum, neutral. Thanks and have a groozy day! TruthCrusader 07:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pearl necklace (sexuality)

This is up for deletion, and it looks like it may be kept. It's ridiculous. Please take a look. Magister Erik the Rude 01:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Kim Airs AfD

I nominated "Kim Airs" as an article for deletion before seeing your edits. I'm still not sure if I think Airs is notable enough to have a Wikipedia article, so I didn't remove the AfD. I invite you to weigh in on the AfD, and if I'm mistaken about her notability, I'm open to changing my mind on the subject. Iamcuriousblue 03:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This is probably off-topic for the actual AFD.... Grand Opening! is still going as an online-only operation. I vaguely remember seeing something in the Phoenix or the Weekly Dig where Kim Airs basically said she was sick of the day-to-day of keeping a retail storefront open. FreplySpang 15:00, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  :)

Beat me to it! — Mike 18:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I simply find it nigh impossible to believe ...

I can only extend my deepest of regrets on how your RfA concluded. Could you have been trusted with the wikimop and bucket? Easily. This entire affair has given me great pause as to how Wikipedia's administrator nomination process functions. I simply cannot believe that someone with your caliber of contributions and devotion to the project was not the easiest of shoo-ins. This should simply not have happened in the manner it did. My regret cannot find adequate words, partially because I find myself somewhat stunned. — Mike 16:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

If you do ever choose to run again, please let me know. I'll be there. — Mike 16:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I won't. This really was the straw that broke the camel's back, and I'm so very disgusted with my fellow editors that I've left Wikipedia. If I ever change my mind, I'll come back under a different username as a fresh start (were I ever to be that dumb again, it'd of course not be sockpuppetry, but a corollary of m:Right to vanish, I imagine). Good luck with your future edits, but I seriously suggest you question whether this community is worth the long-term investment. No need to reply, as my talk page's been deleted. — Mike 17:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] regrets re: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Catamorphism

I'd also like to send regrets regarding the above. I was saddened to see it go down as it did. I've been a silent fan of your work on music articles for a while and certainly had (and still have) the impression that you are a strong defender the NPOV in some more sensitive areas where many of us rarely tread. I'm sure you'll keep up the good work despite this.

If you go for this again I'll absolutely support you again. To succeed, however, you will of course need to give some thought to the various statements of your detractors. I respect your desire to identify yourself as you please and wish more people did so. That said, I must realize that many see the world in a very binary sort of way, confess that the non-standard English rolls poorly off of my tongue and state that for myself, it would only be amusing if someone were to ignore the "Mr" in my name and refer to me as "she."

Take it easy. -MrFizyx 16:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that the focus of the RfA was all wrong, but some (not all) of these people are normally good editors. So it may be worth trying to understand how and why they were distracted in a rather foolish way. Why did some perceive you as being agressive? I don't see you that way and I don't think that was your intention. Ah well, these are just my opinions do with them as you please. -MrFizyx 17:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] thoughts re: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Catamorphism

Although I opposed your nomination, I want you to know that I respect the high quality contributions you make to the encyclopedia. Perhaps I put too much weight on you offending me in the past and instead should have focused on these quality contributions but, to be honest, I just couldn't completely get the taste of those past experiences out of my mouth. However, I want you to know that I was personally offended by the fact that an issue was made of your gender identity. To whatever extent the debate over the "they" issue contributed to your request for adminship's denial, I am ashamed that my own opposition to your candidacy assisted the intolerant and narrow-minded bunch who raised the issue as a basis for opposing you. Hopefully when we cross paths in the future the spirit will be collaborative, collegial and civil and, should you be nominated for adminship in the future, I will be able to support your candidacy. Interestingstuffadder 19:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RfA

I am truly sorry that you had to go through all that. -- Samir धर्म 20:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I meant about the nominator's breakdown and about the spurious comments that others made about gender related issues. Both of those were in very poor taste -- Samir धर्म 21:12, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Me too. I'm astounded that some would express awareness of your preference and choose a different pronoun within a single post. I though you handled yourself quite well, though, particularly in the comments section. Notwithstanding, next time — and I hope there is one — it might be best to go ahead and let people oppose you for having brown hair. Those kinds of comments speak for themselves, if you ask me. All the best. ×Meegs 03:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your RFA

Hi, I just wanted to add my regret that your RFA unfolded as it did. I supported you, and I think you would have made a fine administrator. If you like, e-mail me and I can share some thoughts on why I think this really happened. --Aguerriero (talk) 20:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I just wanted to add my expression of sympathy. I thought you were badly treated at your recent RfA and I want you to know you have a lot of supporters out here. Keep making valuable contributions to Wikipedia and try for adminship again when you're ready to. I'll be there to support you. Wishing you all the best, Gwernol 21:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Please let me know if and when you stand for adminship again; I would support you again in the future, as I think you were the victim of bad fortune on many levels this time around. While there was some good constructive criticism and advice in there, the level of sound and fury was ... deafening. -- nae'blis (talk) 00:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry that RFA turned into a mudbath for you. Let me know if you are ever up for it again, my support still stands - Stephanie Daugherty (Triona) - Talk - Comment - 01:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestions about gender correction and userboxen

First I'm very sorry about how your RfA went down. I will be happy to support you in the future should you decide to run again. I do have a few suggestions toward that end. For correcting users about your preferred gender pronoun, you might consider creating a user subpage with a few short paragraphs explaining why you prefer to be called "they" and so forth. I was thinking something similar to User:Raul654/protection, that you could just link to: "I prefer to be referred to with the singular they. Please see User:Catamorphism/gender pronoun." Besides efficiency, the big advantage I see in this is that you can easily direct editors who have exhausted your patience to a very polite and informative user page, instead of expending extra energy on arguing about it every time.

The other suggestion I thought of was rearranging userboxes on your page such that WP-related ones occupy the top spot, like at User:Y0u. Now that I look at the RfA, there doesn't seem to be much objecting to that, but userboxes further down, so maybe it won't make any difference. I dunno.--Kchase T 05:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFA explanation

Hello, Catamorphism. I'd like to offer a couple thoughts on your recent RFA and explain the reasoning behind my vote. First, I couldn't help but notice your comment on User talk:Samir (The Scope): "...should an editor be judged on how they respond to comments that should never have been made in the first place?". My response is absolutely. Wikipedia users all receive uncivil or inappropriate comments from time to time, but administrators really get a lot of rude, sometimes shocking, comments. (See my talk page archives for some examples.) In my opinion, a good administrator must be able to respond clearly and courteously, even to those who don't treat him the same. Second, on userboxes, we obviously disagree; you didn't seem to have questions about this but I'd be happy to explain. Finally, "the pronoun". It doesn't matter to me what gender you feel you are; male, female, both, neither, or whatever. It's really irrelevant. But for the record, I find using the singular "they" awkward, and try to avoid it. I don't intend to use any neologisms, and using your username all the time is awkward as well. I'd have no problem if you had a polite message on your userpage explaining your preferred manner of address, or if you explained to people who were confused. But what really got to me were comments like these: "For me, it's a matter of basic civility. (Thus, I find it disrespectful for you to refer to me as "him" when I am not a man.)"; that crossed the line from having a preferred style of address to making demands on how others should address you, going outside standard conventions of English. I was later reconsidering my vote, but what really irked me was how you turned opposition over these demands into discrimination against your gender. You don't have to reply, and I don't wish to be rude or insulting. I just wanted to explain how people can be comfortable with your self-identity and think you're a good editor, but still disapprove of your insistence on an idiosyncratic form of address, and how obession over this can lead people to think you might not make a good administrator. I hope matters work out differently the next time you're nominated to become an administrator. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Ze is a neologism and does not appear in my dictionary. He, on the other hand can be "used in a generic sense or when the sex of the person is unspecified", which is how I and many other people use it. It is certainly possible that some people opposed due to lack of comfort with your gender, but dismissing everyone's concerns as "transphobia", like playing the race card, led me at least to remain opposed to your candidacy. — Knowledge Seeker দ 16:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
You're right; he shouldn't be used when the subject is obviously female (of course, I don't think they works there either, and ze just sounds silly). but you're right about being able to ask people to address you the way you wish, and I'm sorry I wasn't clear. My objection, and that of several others, was that you suggested that people were incivil or disrespectful if they didn't want to use a special, nonstandard term when addressing you. I'm not trying to convince you that that sort of intolerance is bad, nor do I wish to prolong this discussion; it's just that you seemed mystified by people's opposition and I wanted to suggest why so many people disapproved of that behavior. I understand your frustration with English not having a proper gender-neutral pronoun. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please contact me

Please contact me via email at your earliest opportunity. It is rather somewhat important. Kelly Martin (talk) 23:39, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ... conform to the usage of the bearer

Some thoughts...

A long time ago I read some good advice about pronouncing people's names (interesting to me at least, having a last name easily and unwarrantedly misspelled, and mispronounced to boot) Why it might have even been Miss Manners. The exact quote will not come to mind but the essential part was

"... conform to the usage of the bearer."

So, if I first read about someone with the name "Roache Mays", and he then walks up and introduces himself as 'Rocky', well then that's what he is (even though at my best I'd'a been thinking Roche=Rohsh, and more probably "roach?")


And thinking further, the bitter-sweet tale of Abigail and Abigail-II comes to mind. When I understood that he "... is a 6'5 Dutch male ..." I didn't bat an eye, considering his powerful reputation in that community. I just mentally translated that into "Abigail Van Buren" - another guide to the clueless. He's still not explained his reasons for the name, and only the less socially clue'd cared ... or persisted in saying 'she'. Unfortunately, the socially clueless (and computationally clueless, too) finally got to him. The sheer number of people mistaking gruffness for 'impoliteness' took its toll, and he left a community he'd helped greatly. Many of us still miss him.

Now, a couple years later in the same community we have another luminary by dint of effort, Autrijus Tang. Note the new page name. The reaction has been, and should be, "Oh, okay, then that is what she wants... done." What does the name or sex have to do with the worth of a person?


And that leads into perhaps a small bit of ambiguity, from a most hierarchial society, that might amuse you. In written Chinese it is not surprising that the characters for he, she, and it are different, though not greatly. (Don't know if you'll be able to see these - 他(he) 她(she) 它(it)) But the strange thing is, they are pronounced exactly the same - 'ta'. Even the same 'tone', at least in Mandarin.

In spoken Chinese the context of the conversation is very important, otherwise 'ta' and a lot of other words would get confusing! And I'd like to think that you are doing your part to alleviate confusion, well, maybe. Picture this, somebody talking about meeting you and two of your friends. And then they can talk about what she said, and what he said, and what they said, ... oh, well, maybe not. ;-)

Anyway, as long as you don't jump down someone's throat at their initial assumption, I just don't see a problem if you simply say "I'd prefer you use ___". What else would non-adherence be, but rude (or {sigh} clueless)?

I hope you come back. Shenme 09:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] little poem

Removed lyrics to The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air TV Show theme song per WP:COPYVIO. -MrFizyx 22:15, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, some IP signed with my signature. No idea. Anyway, hope you'll be back, someday.--Kchase T 11:55, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

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