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It should be researched whether or not this term derives from the Italian catafalco, which means scaffolding. Ayeroxor 04:16, May 30, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Please leave the image in the article at least until a better one is found, it gives people who may not be familiar with catwalks some idea of how they are used. Kappa 06:09, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I will find a better image, but not a gif image. --Mabm 11:19, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

I put up a new PD image. In some ways a moving picture (which existed before) was nice, but I'm not sure that falls under fair use of a copyrighted image. This article isn't about the model in the picture, the photographer, the specific event, or even the photo. So, "fair use" doesn't seem to apply for copyrighted photos, in this case. But, I'm no lawyer. --rob 03:06, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

There are many problems with the attempted change:

1. The Tyra Banks animated gif is appropriate here as she is notably identifiable with a catwalk
2. if there is a copyright problem with the gif, this is not the page for it, vote for vfd on that page, until then, the image stays
3. the replacement picture is entirely inappropriate as it is not someone notable for modeling and the catwalk is not identifiable as it looks like it is in someone's home
4. the replacement image appears to be attempting to promote someone's girlfriend, which is inappropriate for Wiki

--Noitall 00:28, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

As a reminder, it's illegal to violate copyright laws, so what we personally like or prefer is irrelevant.

1. A Tyra Banks image is not "fair use", as the article is not about Tyra Banks. The same image might be fair use, on a "Tyra Banks" article. The fact she and Victoria Secret are famous, makes it more likely that the copyright holder would object to it's illegal usage.
2. I have put a question to others about this on the image tag page, but please understand my problem with the image is this *specific* usage of it. It may well have other "fair uses", but not here. This is a problem specific to this article.
3. The image I put in Image:Catwalk.jpg actually shows the physical catwalk, which the Tyra image (Image:Tbcatw.gif) does not. This article is about catwalks, and should actually show the physical catwalk. In fact, the Tyra image barely even shows walking, since here feet are not visible.
4. No, she's not my girlfriend. I would be happy to replace the image with another public domain image of a different model. I found the image by a Google Image search ".mil" web sites, which are good source of public domain images. If you check the image, you'll see I've indicated exactly where the image came from. --rob 00:44, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

As I mentioned, this is not the page for a copyright issue. However, your #3 and #4 make sense. I would agree to a much better picture showing a notable model or modelling group with a catwalk. Although the mil sites are great, I suspect the picture we are looking for will not be on there. --Noitall 00:50, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

While general issues of copyright doesn't belong here, it's appropriate to discuss here if this *context* is appropriate for *this* "fair use". What's fair use in one article, isn't fair use in another article. Hence, an article-by-article discussion may need to occur over fair use. One shouldn't have to delete an image because just one of if it's uses was unjustified, when other uses might be valid. Also, I agree a notable model would be nice, but generally they, and their photographers, don't give away images for free. A good analogy on fair use is album covers. They're an easy "fair use" in an article about the album or the band. But the same album cover wouldn't be fair use in Album (music). I think you're making a dangerous assumption, in you think because an image exists on wikipedia, and hasn't yet been deemed a copyright problem, that you may use it freely. In fact, there are countless images which are valid "fair use" imags, that have legit uses, which still may not be used outside of certain contexts. It's not my obligation to report the copyright problem, its the obligation of the editor who ads it, to justify fair use, for the specific context. --rob 01:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Much of what you say about copyrights and fair use is inaccurate. That is why that particular discussion is inappropriate for this page. I would be happy to have it with you on a copyright page for people knowledgable and interested in those issues. --Noitall 01:31, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

Well, that discussion seems to have started there, and I expect the image will be deleted. Also, I don't understand why you removed the link to catwalk (disambiguation) article. All the links to this page refer to the fashion catwalk, and so a separte disambig page for other meanings is called for. --rob 01:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

It's nice to see Image:Tbcatw.gif wasn't put back, but I think there's a misunderstanding that catwalks are all about famous fashion supermodels. There are huge numbers of fashion shows, with catwalks, that don't have anybody famous. A "catwalk" is not a "red carpet", as it doesn't need a notable person to be itself. Now, Image:Catwalk.jpg is far from perfect, but any improvement would be in the form of a better shot of a larger catwalk. I haven't heard a single good reason why the photo wasn't appropriate. --rob 04:31, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I do consider other people's comments and that is why I did not put it back. The image should be what is recognized and notable, and this image is neither. It barely shows a corner of the catwalk. And it is misleading because it still looks like someone's girlfriend doing it, not as what we generally recognize as fashion modelling on the catwalk. --Noitall 04:36, September 13, 2005 (UTC)

This is the fashion show. It is a real fashion show, even though there is no famous supermodel walking in her underwear. This should avoid worries somebody is "attempting to promote someone's girlfriend" as was said before. Anyway, I never claimed the photo is the best one on Earth. For now, I'll look around for other better photos, and I'll see if anybody else comes up with something better. Since, there's no longer a copyright violation on the page, the issue is not in urgent need of a fix. --rob 05:04, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Whats the History of the Catwalk ?

Like how did it come into existence ? Who designed the first line of clothing exhibited on the catwalk ? Can some one pls advice me - I'm doing a speech on the same and need the help. pls mail any info u may have on it to manishparekh@rediffmail.com. Thanks !