Talk:Catholic devotions

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This page is a stub. It is listed on WikiProject:Catholicism 101 as collaboration of the week beginning on July 5. There is plenty of content particular to the Catholic Church for a separate topic. Who else has the Virgin of Guadalupe, the Virgin of Knock, or the infant of Prague? Please use this talk page before blanking this article. Vaquero100 15:23, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand why this article exists. For Euchrist, it makes sense that there is Eucharist (Catholic Church) and Divine Liturgy because there is enough content to fill those articles. But for this instance, it seems like Devotion (Christian) is such a small article that there is no need to fork content. I'd urge editors to please work on the Devotion (Christian) article, and if it starts to get at a length where breaking off the denominations makes sense, then cross that bridge then. It just seems premature to start forking content like this. Related policy: Wikipedia:Content forking. Thanks for your consideration.--Andrew c 18:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been browsing around Catholic topics on WP the past few weeks and have finally begun to do some editing on less controversial topics. When I did a search on "Catholic devotions" I found this history. I can't understand why it is so problematic for there to be an article on Catholic devotions. Are they really that controversial? They are certainly very very different in nature from the material at Devotion (Christian) which is really not the proper term for Catholic Devotions (which in the plural has a different meaning than in the singular). Can someone explain this? --Vita Dulcedo et Spes Nostra 15:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe I explained my concern above. This is a POV fork of the more general idea of Christian Devotion. Forking content is usually to be avoided unless there is not enough room in a single article to cover all POVs. I pointed out that the Christian Devotion article was fairly small, so I suggested not only improving the catholic seciton there, but also beefing up the rest of the article BEFORE forking out content. --Andrew c 20:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

(replying to comment at Talk:Roman Catholic Church/Name#Some other examples). My edit had nothing to do with the name of this article, so this discussion does not belong on that page. VDeSN said I don't understand how you can blank the Catholic devotions article. And I don't understand why you think I blanked the article. I merged the content with an existing article to avoid POV forking. Nothing was 'blanked'. I explained my initial move in my two posts above. If you do not understand the reason why I merged the content, please ask for further information after reading my above posts. Next, my merge was half-reverted by Vaq100. It was another editor (and administrator) who then reverted to the redirect version. Like I said above, we should put our efforts into fixing up the Devotion (Christian) article, before creating POV forks. We have not reached the point on that article to necessitate a "spinout". Make sense? --Andrew c 14:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

This article has been completely rewritten as requested. It still has a long way to go. Areas that need help are the approval process, the reference to the history of the Sacred Heart approval process, for example. The connection with private revelation also needs to be addressed. I am suggesting this section could elaborate on the revelations of Padre Pio and Our Lady of Fatima, but other editors might prefer other examples.

The connection between private revelation on Catholic devotions actually works both ways. As meditations such as the rosary are often occassions of new private revelations--this point is entirely absent in the article and needs to be explained well.

Finally, I would ask that Andrew c and others not just simply move or merge this article as it is a substantial work in progress and its relation to Devotion (Chrisitan) simply a coincidence of words. Please use due process for any radical changes as per Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks, Vaquero100 23:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)