Talk:Catholic High School (Singapore)
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from VfD:
autumn brings cold air // also lots of school pages // get voted against --fvw* 04:05, 2004 Nov 26 (UTC)
- Keep. It should be moved to Catholic High School, Singapore, or whatever but this is clearly notable. The writer even supplied you with a list of its renowned alumni?Dr Zen 04:10, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: Schools are not notable for being schools. Notable schools are notable. Famous alumni are a consideration for some voters, but not for me. Famous alumni who were made famous because of the particular school as a school (e.g. if anyone wanted to find where J. D. Salinger went to HS, you'd have a notable school). Geogre 05:46, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep DCEdwards1966 06:10, Nov 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Comment: I don't vote on high schools as a policy, but I have to say that at the very least this needs to be a disambig page. There was a "Catholic High" near where I grew up, and I'm sure there are plenty more. No reason this should be the only one to get that title. -R. fiend 06:18, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- keep seems historic and prestigious, though agree this should be a dab page. Dunc|☺ 13:25, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- COMMENT: if this is a keeper, it definitely needs a rename. There should be an article on Catholic High Schools (in a singular form), in general, since they affect our society so much (ie. Catholic High School girls, Catholic High School uniforms, Catholic High School influenced guilt trips, etc) ; This current article probably should be called Catholic High School, Singapore as Dr. Zen suggests. Personally, I'm not sure if its notable. 132.205.45.110 14:56, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I've placed Category:High Schools in Singapore on CfD. 132.205.45.110 14:58, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep and agree with Dunc. [[User:Radman1|RaD Man (talk)]] 21:29, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Keep at a more appropriate name; looks notable, but needs to be rewritten less promotionally (looks as if it was written by their admissions office). -- Jmabel | Talk 03:08, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Move and Keep move to Catholic High School (Singapore) and Keep. Frankchn 15:53, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Moved to Catholic High School, Singapore and redirected. --L33tminion | (talk) 06:13, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
- Keep. Intrigue 20:42, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable and lacking historical significance. If the content must be kept its name should be changed or the merged with a different page.Cari0028 02:13, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep --ShaunMacPherson 07:42, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Keep Being the Singapore's PM's secondary school, I feel that there should be an article about it in case anyone wants to do research on Singapore PM Lee Hsien Loong's history. (And I agree that there should be a disambig page) --xertnevnI
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[edit] tagged
I think we can remove the tag on a biased article. The present one is much better... Btw why is it still a stub despite being so detailed?i shape myself 12:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Emphasis on People's Republic of China and principal
I notice that this section has very strong views on the China program and principal. I'm a student too, and I share some of the sentiments presented in the article. The China program is turning into a farce. Can the Ministry of Education look into this matter? We students protest strongly to the fact that we have to study pieces written by a communist tyrant, Mao Zedong. Singapore is a democratic country.
Wikipedia is not meant as an avenue for social protest and the article reflects opinions. Hence my edit. Dirtybutclean
Ok point taken. 218.186.8.12 03:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I have changed this topic to 'Emphasis on bilingualism'. However much I disagree with the China campaign, I feel Wikipedia should not be used to air our complaints. The current article there is more neutral without any bias. i shape myself 12:21, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] pictures?
I don't really know how to add pictures, but it would be great if pictures could be added. Maybe the iMedia boys could chip in? --i shape myself 07:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] primary and secondary section
I feel that a seperate page should be created for Catholic High (Primary) instead of grouping them together. It's really confusing because this page is about Catholic HIGH SCHOOL.
[edit] latest bit about computer programme
that has quite a bit of POV in there, needs cleaning up
[edit] Why remove "Recent Controversies"?
The ones metioned are true: students HAVE to pay for the worksheets, and there are many cost-cutting measures. I'm in that school.
[edit] Laughable to ask for evidence by others
To those who removed the section: The evidence of the (recent controversies) can be seen in school -- and how are students supposed to present them? Build websites and mention them, link them here? Ask the principal himself to announce it on the school website?
[edit] O Level Results
It seems unencyclopaedic to me to add comments, some unverified thus far (the Band 1 to Band 3 remark) about the school's O Level results. I'm not even sure it's encyclopaedic to specifically mention the 2005 results, especially if they're only notable because of the slide in results. Anyone? P 16:51, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Adding rock bands visiting isn't going to be notable too, but the 'O' Level results I'm not so sure. Especially a SAP school in Band 3? xertnevnI 01:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] commentary : recent controversier
The following was transferred from the article. Please add references and attribution, and moderate the language for NPOV. --Vsion 02:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Many of the students in the school believe that there are internal discrepancies within the administration of the school. Tennis courts and extra ponds are being built while students have to pay for daily materials such as paper materials and ink. A significant number of students pointed out that students and teachers having to pay for notes and worksheets as the cause of the poor result yield this year. The school has also started a large scale operation that outsources many of its crucial operations to third party organizations in the school. The bookshop is particularly extremely crowded and busy due to its inability to provide all four levels of students with worksheets from the school. Many who are really the unsung heroes of this school refuse to indulge in the superficial glory so honorary portrayed by the administrator.
Recently, the school itself invited two rock bands, Ronan and the Sons, for its assembly programme held every wednesday. It turned out to be a major mistake, as the entire school went chaos. Initially, the Discipline Mistress allowed all the students to stand up, jump and sing with the bands. When the bands requested the students to stand up, however, things started to get out of hand. Students were thrown into the air, so were T-shirts and shoes. Yet nobody did anything about it, the teachers were furious as claimed by the students, but they dared not take any action. The Discipline Mistress was nowhere to be seen when the incident occured. Another discipline teacher, Mr. Julian Teo, was standing on stage, watching the rock bands going crazy and influencing the students to rebel. Still, nobody did anything. Finally, an English teacher, Mr. Edwin Heng stood out and ordered the students to sit down. The students started off by ignoring him, but when he appeared extremely furious, the students could do nothing but follow his orders. Then what was least expected happened, the lead singer said that his audience have never ever sat down when they were having a concert, he was shocked to see audience sitting down in a rock concert - then he pointed to Mr. Julian Teo, who was mistaken for Mr. Edwin Heng, and said "IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!", and the whole school cheered. It can be seen that the school was no longer a school, students were rebelling against teachers, this was of course, because they were influenced by the bands.
I suggest that we completely remove the rock band thingy as it does not show really much and it's mostly really biased POV... but as for the internal discrepancies, you can't really find it on the school website (come on, you can't really expect the White House website to show every mistake the Bush Administration has done right? :D ) or other reliable sites/source or books. It is present in the school... Some things cannot be proven by these means... any suggestions? xertnevnI 12:43, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] No to O Levels ranking writeup
I would like to refer the comment made above. Of course we want specified facts and neutral-toned encyclopedic article, not a biased one that shame a otherwise friendly and brotherly vibrant and happy school community.
What is education and encyclopedia in common? They are all about facts. Real concrete facts. In the education in schools we are taught to seek true facts, in Wikipedia we are supposed to seek the facts of everything. Nothing more.
Why waste the effort to write the O Levels ranking? It is not representative of the Catholic High boys' education over ten years or so. It is the moulded all-rounded individual you would see in every Catholic High boys and old boys that shows the education the Catholic High students have. :)
In addition, the writing of unspecified things is strongly discouraged here. Look at the Four Main Pillars of Wikipedia, I beg everyone here...are the results of the Annual ranking exercise for Singapore Secondary Schools out yet?
Sjsharksrs 10:57, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Moral to link to blog?
Is it correct to link to the disgruntled student's blog? Won't that lead to the school attempting to silence him? xertnevnI 12:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed unclear text
I've just removed the following because it is not clear what it means (see article edit history for location): "where the implementation allows the combination of all upper primary streams". If anyone can provide clarity, please do so. Thanks. Figma 18:02, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
More: Many of its alumni are prominent leaders in the public and private sectors. (some examples would be good, I think)
I removed this: "Certain members of the Catholic High community, who have been determined as the elite and seemingly loyal are entrusted with the responsibility of upholding the good reputation of the school in terms of exemplary conduct and achievement, both in academic and non-academic areas." It is not clear to me. Are not all students representatives of their school? Is there a special organisation certain students are selected for? If so, what is it called? And how is it used, etc.? Thanks for any clarity you can bring. Figma 18:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Paul Twohill - notable?
Seems kind of weird and out-of-place to me to see him in the "Notable Alumni" section. The others in the section hold notable positions, but top-4 in a singing competition? xertnevnI 05:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
In a major singing competition. If you keep local artists, why not him? Dirtybutclean
[edit] Long list of CCAs
Is it necessary to list all the CCAs on the main article? Perhaps it can be brought to a separate page so that it does not take up so much space in the main article because the article is really about the school, not the CCAs that the school has.
[edit] removed Paul Twohill and Garyl from Notable Alumni
Seriously, is a criminal "notable"? Can't be more... amused, especially when Wikipedia is supposedly a good source of information. xertnevnI 03:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] morning procedures?
first the 2005 'o' level results, now morning procedures - is this information necessary?
[edit] morning procedures
i feel that the morning procedures are necessary in order to gain an insight into the school culture.
[edit] Collaboration
actually i do not think that the conventions bring together students leaders from all over singapore, rather, the school is only collaborating with other Roman Catholic schools in singapore. this section should be changed to - 'Catholic High School (Secondary) Student Leaders' Board has also organised a number of Student Leaders' Convention with schools like St. Joseph's Institution, CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls' School and CHIJ Secondary (Toa Payoh). These conventions bring together Student Leaders (Prefects, Councillors and Class Monitors/Chairpersons) from other Roman Catholic Schools to come and experience with other SLs'
