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Contents 1 Welcome to Wikipedia 2 Eros + Massacre 3 Wow 4 List of anarchists.

[edit] Welcome to Wikipedia

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[edit] Eros + Massacre

I recently shelled some money to get the long version of this on DVD, but I can't find any English subtitles for it. I don't know if you watched it in the original Japanese, but if not I wonder if you might know where I could find subs? Sarge Baldy 20:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't know where to find the movie "Eros + Massacre" in english, and doubt very strongly that it is available at all. I haven't seen the movie in full myself. I've only seen few screen shots and read several reviews. However, I am familar with the actual events of Osugi Sakae's life, and so I was able to construct the entry by cross referincing my knowledge with the aforementioned reviews. Realizing that my knowledge would be iffy, as the movie itself could have improperly portrayed some facts, I left the entry somewhat bare. However, I had neglected to include two important notes. Thanks to this little reminder, I've now added two stubs, "Japanese Films" and "Anarchism," respectively. My hope is that eventually the movie will increase in popularity and eventually be released in english, or that fan producers will take it upon themselves in the grand tradition of direct action and create a fan-sub. Cast, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

That's unfortunate. My hope was that someone would have translated the subtitles already on the disc, as is often done for films with no available subs. Maybe if I can find a way to rip them someone would take the effort. Getting an official release in English seems a bit wishful thinking. If they thought there was any real interest they probably would have included English subs on the Japanese DVD release. Also, if you haven't seen the film, are you sure it focuses around Osugi Sakae? I was under the impression that it was focused more around Ito Noe, as indicated by the cover, the pictures inside the box, and the film's cast listings. Sarge Baldy 16:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

In February, 2006, you contacted me regarding subtitles of the Japanese movie, Eros Plus Massacre, asking if I had access to unofficial english subtitles. I have in fact recently found files that serve that purpose, available for download through emule. The files themselves are intended for use with the extended version of the film, and is split into multiple files for use with the film in a ripped version, split into six sections. Assuming you still have your copy of the movie, and are at all interested in translating them, you could rip them to your computer and place these files within the same folder as your videos. They will then automatically play with English subtitles. However, you'll soon note that the sentences are not written with the best of grammar. I bet of effort may be needed to edit these files, and adjust them for your versions of the ripped files. However, I'm sure that as a wiki editor, it's nothing you aren't you used to. If you are interested, I've placed the files here for your convenience: http://www.mediafire.com/?eyymyn2tmmw --Cast 23:38, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, though I actually found these earlier. I haven't tried matching them up against my DVD copy yet, though. I doubt I even have enough space to rip it at the moment... Owen 02:13, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wow

That's impressive work there. Just a few more points. The images need fair use rationales, and they also need shrinking. Copyrighted images shouldn't be any bigger than they would appear in the article. Also, the trivia section needs to be worked into the article somewhere, trivia sections are frowned upon. I think if those happen, a peer review would be a bloody good idea, and then maybe if that goes well take it to featured articles. Steve block Talk 21:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I thank you for your appreciation of my efforts, and for presenting me with my first wiki-award. I've made all of the corrections you noted. All images now have fair use rationals, and have been reduced in size. However, there were panels which held text I felt a reader could benefit from reading, so as to understand the context of the panel. These panels were not fully shrunk. I have also deleted the trivia section (I never knew how to integrate that last note, and to be honest, I never felt it should have been added. I just kept hoping I'd eventually get some citation to validate its inclusion.) Your suggestion that it might be FA worthy seems optimistic, but I only hope that now that these adjustments have been made, nothing stands in the way of the article at least receiving GA status.--Cast 00:56, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow. I've just encountered your work on Anarky and I'm very impressed. This is just what I like to see in a comics article: emphasis on publication history, thorough citations, ulitlization of creator interviews to backup article content. Excellent contribution to Wikipedia. Thank you. ~CS 07:46, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and congratulations for all the work you've put in on Anarky - it's great to see another WP:CMC article make GA! --Mrph 20:12, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of anarchists.

Greetings, SwitChar. As of a few minutes ago I only just learned of the proposition, debate, subsequent deletion of the Anarchists list, and thought to commend your arguments in its favor, and your creation of a sandbox version. In my opinion, your version is superior in various ways, not the least of which being by far more coherent and organized, and hope that you will eventually be able to use it to recreate the list.

I would also like to add a few to this to help you, but being your project, I hesitate to do so without your permission. I shall simply explain my additions and allow you to consider them. Note that all of them have self identified as anarchists to the best of my knowledge, as I would not wish to repeat the same mistakes which killed the previous list. The first would be John Cage, an avant guard composer (I sadly cannot recall my source, and so I would not add him immediately, but he is known to have written a book comprised of poety inspired by Anarchism, as well as to have composed music intended to be "non-heriarchial" in the sense that there were no dominent instruments/performers;) Grant Morrison, an author who wrote The Invisibles which explored anarchist themes and featured multiple anarchist characters; and Bob Black, an author and lawyer, (I noticed that your list lacked anyone in the "politics and law" section, and while he might be best placed in the authors section, I thought to suggest him. He is also a highly controversial figure, but I do not doubt he is a self-identified anarchist;) and lastly, Shusui Kotoku, Sakae Osugi, and Noe Ito, all three important japanese authors and publishers.

I hope your project continues steadily, that these additions will help along this long process, and that you will eventually be able to restore this list. Until then, you have my thanks for your efforts. --Cast 07:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm a little worried about the recreation of the list because some admins will delete recreated articles out of process regardless of content difference. If the list is well cited, organised and tidy though, I think there will be less problems with that. As it is, once the sandboxed list is big enough I'll move it to article space and defend it if anyone tries to delete it again.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. It's in my namespace, but it isn't "my" article, so if you have a suggestion or addition, feel free to make it. As I mentioned, I'm not especially worried about finding citations for people known mainly for being anarchists (though it always helps), but people known in other fields who are anarchists need citations as soon as possible. That's part of what got the first list deleted. Ideally, all entries (even Proudhon and Bakunin) should be cited by the time it's moved to article space.

I'll look into the people you mentioned; thanks for bringing them up. I hadn't heard of some of them before. I did briefly look into Morrison a while ago, but only to the extent of seeing if there was already a citation in his Wikipedia article, which there wasn't at the time. There's also someone whose name I can't remember; he was a filmmaker who deals mostly with LGBTQ issues in his work and identifies as an anarchist. Know of him at all?

There's also a copy of most of the original list in the talk of the sandboxed version, so anyone can try to go through that and add any missing entries.

I'm also not yet sure whether I want to add musicians to the list, because there is currently a list of anarchist musicians. I think eventually I'll try to organise it into musicians who are also anarchists (Like Lemmy or John Lydon) having a section in the List of anarchists, and bands or musicians who are anarchist in their music (Like Crass, Emcee Lynx etc.) having an article of their own, something approximating list of musicians with anarchist lyrical content. For the time being though, I'll leave out musicians and add them all to the list of anarchist musicians.

Anyway, thanks very much. Feel free to contact me about it or contribute any time. Cheers. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 10:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(PS - I see it was you who improved the Anarky article so much. Very good job. ~ Switch (✉✍☺) 10:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC))

I am also of the mind that a recreated list, should it be a large improvement over a deleted original, should be preserved. I feel that your list qualifies for this in several respects. Once this project has neared completion, I suggest contacting other editors who would be interested in preserving it and asking them to argue in its favor should problems arise.

I am also glad that you are not possessive of the article, but I would still defer to your opinion, as you clearly have an idea of what direction you wish to take the process in, and I respect that. I will however continue to make sourced suggestions in the future and hope it will prove fruitful. Unfortunately, I cannot help you with your first request, as I am utterly unfamiliar with most film makers, but should I hear of one which matches your description, I'll alert you immediately. I'll also take note of your recovered list and make use of it in my future suggestions. For ease of use, I would advise striking out any from that list once they have been sourced and added to the sandboxed version. This will become increasingly important as the project progresses.

I can see your point regarding musicians, and would suggest a compromise: the include a subsection listed as Musicians, which would provide a link redirecting the reader to the main article, the list of anarchist musicians. This will make searching for such people more user friendly. I would also suggest the inclusion of a Military subsection, for anarchists who are well known for their work during militant anarchist uprisings, such as Nestor Makhno, Buenaventura Durruti, Francisco Sabaté Llopart, and Kim Jwa-jin

At any rate, I'll make an effort to aid you in the future as best I can, though this cannot be my top priority (I am currently making an effort to improve Osugi's article,) and will certainly encourage the preservation of this list once it is properly uploaded.

And finally, thank you for noting my efforts on the Anarky article. What can I say? Anything for a fictional comrade! --Cast 18:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

(PS - I only just noticed that your list does include a link to the list of anarchist musicians, and so I retract my suggestion that it be included. --Cast 18:32, 27 March 2007 (UTC))