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[edit] Page name

Just found this page.. it seems useful. One thing though, shouldn't the page name be "Cascade volcanoes" with a small v? Would be standard wikipedia style and easier to use in links.

Also, if this list is all volcanoes and remains of extinct volcanoes of the Cascades, perhaps Goat Rocks should be added? Pfly 20:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

No, the phrase itself is a proper name, just like Cascade Range or Coast Mountains or Garibaldi Volcanic Belt; small-casing it takes away its proper-name status; it's not just volcanoes of the Cascades, it's a particular group of volcanoes called the Cascade Volcanoes; or Cascade Volcanic Belt, but that's not how it's usually referred to (it's composed of several belts....). It would also confuse the necessary delineation - which should always be clear in this article - that the Cascade Volcanoes are not the same thing as the Cascade Range; the latter includes summits that are not Cascade Volcanoes, the former extends much father north than the Cascades (to Mount Meager...I'm not sure about the neighbouring Bridge River Cones but perhaps BlackTusk knows that....and also farther south; unless - could it really be? - Shasta and Lassen are part of the Cascade Range. I've always thought of it as ending at Mazama/Crater Lake, and then the mountain country falls off entirely; Shasta's not really in a range, except one that comes in from eastward, and a low ridge only at that; so I'd venture that down there in CA there's also been some confusion of the concept of the Cascade Volcanoes vs the Cascade Range, with the two meanings becoming blurred in the American definition; they're distinct up here, as our Cascades end at the Fraser River, while the Cascade Volcanoes go a good 'nother 150 miles farther north. So the capitalization stands, and is not in conflict with Wiki guidelines.Skookum1 07:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

The Benchmark topo-atlas of California I have has the words "Cascade Range" in large letters over northeast California, down from Oregon to Lassen Peak. The Pit River flows through the area and is said to be one of the few rivers that crosses the Cascades. The book I keep referring to for geology, "Geology of the Pacific Northwest" by Orr, describes the Cascades as reaching into California to about Lassen Peak just like the map shows. The book describes the Cascade Range as being geologically distinct from the Sierra Nevada (US) and the Klamath Mountains, even suggesting that the Cascade Range "may extend beneath the Sierra Nevada Mountains".

Apparently the North Cascades, north of approx. I-90 or US 2, are geologically distinct from the Cascades to the south. The northern mountains were created by multiple terranes and terrane fragments that merged into "composite slabs" or "superterranes" offshore before colliding with North America during Cretaceous times (something like 100 million years ago). Later mountain-building events worked from this base of complex accreted terranes, but even so the rocks of the North Cascades are much older than those south; the terrane rocks date back over a billion years in some cases. From about I-90 south, according to this book, the Cascades began about 40 million years ago as a "continental volcanic arc along the coast or as islands offshore. So the southern mountains, or the so-called "West Cascades", are built on a base of lava and ash no older than 40 million years. Then a new volcanic era began about 10 million years ago, creating the "High Cascades" or the Cascade Volcanoes as we know them today.

This book makes the case that the Northern Cascades and the southern, or Western Cascades, are geologically distinct, but are known as a single range because of the more recent volcanoes of the High Cascades, which are geologically related, and run, according to this book, from Mount Lassen and Shasta in California to Garibaldi, Mount Meager, and the "Bridge River cones" in British Columbia. In addition, the Coast Range of British Columbia, this book says, was made of accreted terranes just like the North Cascades. In short, the picture given is that if you take away the High Cascade volcanoes, then you'd have two ranges: 1. the Cascades south of about I-90 to northeast California, and 2. the Cascades north of about I-90 plus the Coast Range of BC and reaching up into the coastal ranges of Alaska.

Anyway, just thought I'd offer this viewpoint. I'm no geologist, merely the messenger! Pfly 09:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

It says at the bottom the list is incomplete, you can help by expaning it, so if you see any Cascade volcanoes, you can add them onto the list but make sure they are in order.Black Tusk 6:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

What about volcanic plugs or peaks which like Slesse and others which were formed by some kind of volcanic action (even if never surfaced in Slesse's case, but I don't know its geologic history; I just have a family connection to its aviation history....), but have long since hardened into pillars and such? That more or less is the whole Coast Mountains pluton, I guess, but I think you know what I mean. Black Tusk, Table Mountain, have to think of some other examples...!!!!

Yes, add volcanic plugs. Black Tusk 01:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] What is the correct term for the Cascade volcanoes? What title should the article have?

The name of this article has recently been changed from "Cascade Volcanoes" to "Cascade Volcanic Belt", and the latter term has begun spreading to numerous other pages on Wikipedia. However, this term is not widely accepted and it may not be an appropriate title, especially when the phrase is capitalized as a proper noun (as it is now). The most common term among volcanologists is "Cascade Volcanic Arc" or simply "Cascade Arc", which is more appropriate than Belt because the region in question is a product of arc volcanism along a subduction zone.

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) states "The title: When a widely accepted English name, in a modern context, exists for a place, we should use it."

Wikipedia:Naming conventions states "Generally, article naming should prefer to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature. This is justified by the following principle: Names of Wikipedia articles should be optimized for readers over editors; and for a general audience over specialists."

Therefore we should use the title which has the widest acceptance in the volcanological community, as shown by publications in scientific journals and conferences, while at the same time the article should be easy to find for readers and to link to for editors. So I checked several search phrases on GeoRef, the main research database in the field, to find out how widely used they are (these are not full-text searches, only titles and abstracts are available to be searched):

GeoRef Search Results Search Phrase Published Works Peer-Reviewed Journals Phrase is Capitalized? Cascade Arc 98 35 yes, sometimes Cascades Arc 36 8 yes, sometimes Cascade Volcanoes 44 9 none found Cascades Volcanoes 11 2 none found Cascade Volcanic Arc 37 11 yes, sometimes Cascades Volcanic Arc 15 4 none found Cascade Magmatic Arc 7 0 none found Cascades Magmatic Arc 1 1 none found Cascade Volcanic Belt 4 3 none found Cascades Volcanic Belt 0 0 - Cascade Volcanos 3 0 none found Cascades Volcanos 0 0 -

NOTE: GeoRef searches are case-insensitive, so I manually looked in the abstracts to see if the phrase was ever capitalized.

Some conclusions seem evident from these results:

• "Volcanoes" should be spelled with an "e" (but most people know that is the preferred form).
• In each of the pairs of phrases, the singular ("Cascade") is much preferred to the plural ("Cascades"), so we should use the singular version.
• The current name, "Cascade Volcanic Belt", is not widely accepted and so is inappropriate for this article. We need to change it.
• The top 3 contenders are "Cascade Arc", "Cascade volcanoes", and "Cascade Volcanic Arc". We should use one of these terms as the title.
• Using either "Cascade Arc" or "Cascade Volcanic Arc" as a proper noun (capitalizing all words) is OK, since at least some publications do that, but not really so for "Cascade volcanoes".

Out of these three, "Cascade Arc" is not specific enough for the title of this article, which needs to contain some reference to volcanism. So "Cascade volcanoes" and "Cascade Volcanic Arc" appear to be the only reasonable choices of title. We should choose one of these two names by consensus and then modify any linked templates and individual volcano pages to reflect that consensus choice. Personally, I would vote for this article to be named "Cascade volcanoes" since it best meets the official policy, but I do like "Cascade Volcanic Arc" since it offers a more formal name as a proper noun.

Within the text of articles, if a proper noun is needed, then "Cascade Volcanic Arc" is a much better choice than "Cascade Volcanic Belt". It is favored by scientists because it is more accurate and apt for describing a 1200-km long example of arc volcanism like that in Cascadia, while "volcanic belt" usually refers to geographically smaller regions. All references to "Cascade Volcanic Belt" in Wikipedia articles should probably be changed to Arc instead, for example in phrases such as "Mount Cayley is a volcano in the northern part of the Cascade Volcanic Arc." I've already created a redirect page named Cascade Volcanic Arc in order to ease linking to the final choice of article title.

By the way, I've been researching the Cascade volcanoes extensively for the past 8 years, and I've read or skimmed most significant books and scientific papers written about them since 1900. I have over 500 photocopied or PDF papers about Cascade volcanoes in my files, along with at least 50+ books or guidebooks related to them. So I do have an extensive background in this area.

I welcome your comments about which name we should choose. I'm also happy to search for any other reasonable names on GeoRef. Thanks. --Seattle Skier 21:18, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the Cascade Volcanic Arc would be the best name for the title because the Cascade Volcanic Belt actually has more then one volcanic belt, sush as the Garibaldi Volcanic Belt and the Pemberton Volcanic Belt which are the northern extension of the Cascade Volcanic Arc and it is more of a geologic name, as it is mentioned that the Cascade volcanoes are a geologic grouping. The Cascade volcanoes are also a chain of volcanoes near the edge of the continent that were formed by subduction, which is what a volcanic arc is. Black Tusk 23:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Looking at Google (more general searches than techincal papers), "Cascade Volcanic Arc" returns 791, while "Cascade Volcanic Belt" returns 324. However, "Cascades Volcanoes" returns 57,000 results. If we look beyond technical literature, I believe that most people will search for and refer to "Cascade Volcanoes". I would recommend this term. hike395 03:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Went ahead and did the move. If this is objectionable, we can discuss further. hike395 03:01, 29 March 2007 (UTC)