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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] Thanks for the welcome

Thanks, for all, i´m going to read al that articles, thanks for this welcome.

[edit] Juan Bautista Pérez

You have dated this image as 1919: Image:Juan Bautista Pérez.jpg. However Perez was president in 1929, not 1919. Is this a pre-presidential picture or just a typo? Rmhermen 19:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images and other things

Hello, Caracas 2000.

"This images are part of the collection of the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation, they were published in a 1999 album of venezuelan aguinaldos of the XIX century, the publication of this images is legal, because are historic photos in Venezuela, promotional, and in the cd they don´t say the coypright status, i think they we can publish this photos in Wikipedia."

I assume you are talking about Image:Orfeón Lamas .jpg and Image:Orfeón Lamas 2.jpg. The image description pages for these images do specify that the source was a CD. However, there is no information about who the photographer is, when the photographs were taken, when they were published, or who the copyright holder is. We cannot assume that they are not under copyright protection just because there is no copyright notice. Copyright protection is automatic; no explicit notice is necessary.

These images currently state that they are licensed under the GFDL, but there is absolutely no evidence given that the copyright holder has licensed them this way. If you have evidence that they are indeed licensed under the GFDL, please provide this evidence on the image description pages, and write an explanation at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images under the appropriate entries.

We must assume that these photographs are under copyright protection unless we have some good evidence to the contrary. Since they are under copyright protection, they must be freely licensed by the copyright holder (under the GFDL, for example), or we must use them here under a claim of fair use. In order to use them under a fair-use claim, the images must meet all ten requirements of the Wikipedia fair-use policy.

If you update the source or licensing information for these images, please make a note about your changes at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images.

If you are not GJRFMorelligu, then I am sorry for the accusation. I know that Mr. Morelligu has at least two accounts on Wikipedia and is currently blocked from editing, so when you appeared after he was blocked and began to edit the same things he was working on, it aroused my suspicions. Please accept my apologies.

Let me know if I can help you or if you have any questions. —Bkell (talk) 21:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Another thing: When you leave a message on someone's talk page, you should sign your name at the end with four tildes, like this:
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[edit] Hello Bkell

I upload this image, Image:Image-Feb, 8, 1960.jpg, can you check if i put a good source to it.

Caracas 2000

Caracas 2000 23:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the source is fine. However, this image is copyrighted, and you are using it under a claim of fair use. Please read the fair-use counterexamples, especially number 7, which says that using magazine covers to illustrate an article about the person on the cover is not fair use. So this image will probably have to be deleted from Wikipedia. Let me know if you have any questions. —Bkell (talk) 20:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Image-Feb, 8, 1960.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:Image-Feb, 8, 1960.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please look there to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. —Bkell (talk) 20:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Orfeon Lamas photos

I buy the cd of Aguinaldos Tradicionales, in that cd are that images, and they don´t say the source, they only say that, the pictures of the cd are part of the archive of the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation, and that they published them in many albums.

The reason that Wikipedia needs the source of images is so that we can identify the copyright holder. In this case, the copyright holder is probably the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation, if that is the credit the CD gives. When you give the source of these images, say that they were scanned from an album, and make sure you say that they are credited to the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation. Remember that these images can be used on Wikipedia only under a fair-use claim, unless the copyright holder agrees to release the images under a free license. And unless you are using the images to illustrate the CD itself, an {{albumcover}} tag is not appropriate, because fair-use tags need to apply to how the images are being used, not where they came from.
Also, please remember to sign your name with ~~~~ when you leave messages on talk pages. —Bkell (talk) 23:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
What tag or source can i put, for the images of the orfeon lamas.
That is the only information that they say in the cd.
Caracas 2000 23:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
For the source, you need to indicate the copyright holder. As I said, the copyright holder for these images seems to be the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation, if that's what the credits say in the CD. So for the source, just say that you scanned the images from an album, and that the album credits them to the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation.
Now, these images are copyrighted, so unless you know that the copyright holder has released them under a free license, we can use them here only under a fair-use claim. Which fair-use tag you use depends on how you are going to use the image. I can't tell you which tag is appropriate without knowing how you plan to use these images. —Bkell (talk) 23:27, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I think that the user that put the image plan to illustrate the article because these are the photos of this group.
Caracas 2000 23:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
Which image? Which article?
By the way, you can reply on this talk page, as I am doing. There is no need to continue to create new sections on my talk page for this conversation. Click on the "[edit]" link next to the section heading that says "Orfeon Lamas photos" to edit just this section of the page. —Bkell (talk) 23:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ok

What can i do for that photos, can you give me an advice The images and the arcticle of the Orfeon Lamas

Caracas 2000 23:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay. The biggest problem with these images is that they are currently tagged with a GFDL tag, but there is no evidence that the copyright holder (apparently the Vicente Emilio Sojo Foundation) has released the image under the GFDL. So we are claiming that this image is free for anyone to use for any purpose (because that's what the GFDL means), but it's probably not.
We must assume that the image is copyrighted and unlicensed, because we have no evidence to the contrary. So we can use these images on Wikipedia only under a fair-use claim. The first step is to determine whether these images meet all ten points of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. Carefully read all ten of these criteria. If you believe that the use of these images in the Orfeon Lamas article meets all ten, then you should use a fair-use tag.
There is a list of all fair-use tags at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use. Choose a fair-use tag based on how the image will be used, not on where it came from. You are using these photographs to illustrate a musical group. There does not appear to be a specific tag for this, so you will probably need to use {{Fair use in|Orfeon Lamas}}.
If you use this tag, you must also write a fair-use rationale, which explains why the use of the image in the Orfeon Lamas article meets all ten points of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. Particularly important in this case are point 1 ("No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information") and point 8 ("The material must contribute significantly to the article…and must not serve a purely decorative purpose"). —Bkell (talk) 00:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Albums conventions

Hey, it's not a huge thing, but I just edited a few album pages where you were the only user in the history log. You may want to see how I edited "your" pages (check my contributions or see the articles that you modified in the last day or two). Specifically, according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums, track names should be in quotes, and track numbers should use the # symbol. Otherwise, keep plugging away at all that Latin music. Keep up the good work.--Fisherjs 23:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, that page has a handy guide to the album infobox and a discussion of what categories should (and should not) go on an album page.--Fisherjs 17:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk

I recheck the cd of the Orfeon Lamas, and they say that all that photos and tracks are part of the collection of the foundation, that the photos and music are presentations of this group in the 1940s and 1950s

Caracas 2000 23:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you remove the unfree image tag
Caracas 2000 02:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
On what image? Image:Orfeón Lamas .jpg and Image:Orfeón Lamas 2.jpg are both still tagged as GFDL, which is almost certainly false. —Bkell (talk) 02:33, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Check that images of the Orfeon, i put another tag and a fair use rationale Caracas 2000 02:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Much better than before. The fair-use rationales are sparse, but at least we are not making false licensing claims. —Bkell (talk) 02:38, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

What other things can i put to the fair use of the images

Caracas 2000 02:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Image description page#Fair use rationale for a description of what a fair-use rationale should contain.
Also, please stop adding sections to my user talk page. You do not have to click the "+" tab for everything you say, because the "+" tab starts an entirely new section. You can edit sections that already exist by clicking the "[edit]" link next to the section heading, and then you can add more comments at the end of the section. For example, to edit this section, click the "[edit]" link next to the big bold "User talk" heading. See Wikipedia:Sections#Section editing for more details. A single conversation, such as the one we are having, should be kept in a single section. —Bkell (talk) 02:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Galeron 1.jpg

Hello again, Caracas 2000. I notice you've been inserting exactly the same fair-use rationale for many images. You are saying:

  • No free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information.
  • The material must contribute significantly to the article, and must not serve a purely decorative purpose
  • the photo is only being used for informational purposes.

But let's consider, for example, Image:Galeron 1.jpg. This image is being used in the article The Galerón. Here it is simply illustrating a celebration that happens every year. A free equivalent image could certainly be created for this; all you have to do is attend the celebration and take a photo. So your fair-use rationale doesn't make sense.

The idea of a fair-use rationale is that it must explain exactly why each use of the particular image qualifies as Wikipedia:Fair use. A specific fair-use rationale must be written for each and every image. You cannot simply paste the same rationale into all images.

Please let me know if you have any questions. You can just edit this section of your user page and add your comments below. —Bkell (talk) 04:36, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:The Parranda of San Pedro.gif

Hmm, Image:The Parranda of San Pedro.gif is interesting. I see that at the bottom of [1] it says, "Copyleft © 2005-2006, Algunos derechos reservados." But it doesn't say which rights are reserved. I can't find anything more detailed on the site anywhere, so I can't tell what license they are releasing their content under. This would probably be a good question to ask at Wikipedia talk:Copyrights/Can I use.... —Bkell (talk) 02:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] License tagging for Image:Manzanares urbanization.jpg

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[edit] Hello Bkell

I have a question, what tag can i put in a photo of the National Geographic Magazine, of August, 1976.

Caracas 2000 17:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

You probably can't use the image on Wikipedia at all. The image is almost certainly copyrighted and unlicensed, so it would have to meet the stringent criteria of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. Without knowing what the image is and how you plan to use it, I can't give you any better advice. —Bkell (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Caracas Pictures

I'm removing the two pictures you added to the Caracas article. The el hatillo one simply cannot be in wikipedia, it's copyrighted and used without permision from the author, it also contains a watermark which is not compatible with the wikipedia standards, if you want to use a picture of el Hatillo town in wikipedia please check the El_Hatillo_Municipality article and you'll find pretty good ones and all used under permision from the author, or you can simply go there if you live in caracas and take it, copyrighted images used without permision are only "acceptable" when it's almost imposible for someone to photograph the subject and it's extremely relevant to the encyclopedia for example Asociated Press pictures for recente relevant events. I would also like to point out that one picture representing the colonial architecture remaining in the city is enough, i don't think two images on the same subject should be in the main Caracas article, more detailed articles such as Petare and El_Hatillo_Municipality provide more pictures and information for those interested.

For the above reason i removed the Pico Oriental picture, while it is perfect for wikipedia, and a very good picture, i think oversaturating the article with pictures of the Cerro el Avila is too redundant, and since the article is about caracas i think Image:Altamira.JPG is more apropiate since it shows more city than the Image:PicoOriental.jpg which has a big plant leaf interrupting the picture and the roof of a house covering a considerable part of the composition.

[edit] Citing sources

Hi. Your contributions to Wikipedia are very well-done and comprehensive. I like what you have done with Baruta, it's really good, but unfortunately, you are not citing any of your sources. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Not only you would be letting readers verify what you have written, but you could make your contributions become good articles or featured articles. Referencing is very important in Wikipedia, it just takes a few extra minutes when you contribute, but it improves the reliability of the content significantly. --enano (Talk) 02:12, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Rincón González.jpg

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[edit] Image:The Burial of the Sardine.gif

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It's not a question of the tag; it's that it could be replaced with a free version. This is a public event, correct? Anybody could take pictures there. —Chowbok ☠ 21:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
If it's a rare event, then that's an argument worth making regarding replaceability. Be sure to say that in the talk page for the image. —Chowbok ☠ 22:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi... you have to leave that tag on there but I've added the "disputed" tag as well for you. I've summed up your arguments at Image talk:The Burial of the Sardine.gif but it would be welcomed if you could contribute to the conversation there as well. But please don't remove the tags from the main image. Thanks! —Chowbok ☠ 17:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] El Hatillo map

Hi, I reverted your edit in El Hatillo Municipality because I had actually put the newer map on purpose. A user in Commons made an effort to make one map per Venezuelan municipality, and they all have a better quality than the one I made. You can see the maps in Category:Maps of municipalities of Venezuela. It would be a good idea to replace the Baruta and Chacao maps with the ones in Commons since they all look the same.--enano (Talk) 18:43, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Venezuelan musicians and categories

Hi there - You've been making various category changes to Venezuelan musicians recently, and I wanted to discuss the changes you've made. I'd like to draw your attention to the following:

Looking at your recent work, then, and in addition to the ones I've already mentioned, I'd disagree with your changes to Category:Venezuelan violists, Category:Venezuelan flautists, Fulgencio Aquino, Ignacio Figueredo, Category:Venezuelan harpists by genre, Fulgencio Aquino, Juan Vicente Torrealba, Humberto Bruni Lamanna, Edward Pulgar, and María Rivas (categorization).

Perhaps you could have a think about this and discuss this with me. I didn't want to revert your changes without a discussion, but at the moment I don't think that your changes are right. Best wishes, Bencherlite 22:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I agree that we want to make Wikipedia the best we can make it, which is why I suggest that we both follow the guidance that other people have laid down, which I have set out for you in my previous message. This means that we don't have to decide for ourselves what is the "best thing to do" as we can just follow decisions made by others. In fact, your changes don't help other people find Venezuelan musicians as easily as they can find similar musicians of other nations using the categories. For example, Category:Violists by nationality now doesn't have an entry for Venezuelan violists because of the changes you made - click on this category and see for yourself. Please think about this, and please undo the changes that you made. I don't think that your reasons for the changes are good enough. Best wishes, Bencherlite 00:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again. However, if Category:American musicians should only contain sub-categories (see the message there) and as the guidelines referred to above say that people should not be in a parent-category and a sub-category, I disagree with your view that people should be in Category:Venezuelan musicians as well as in their instrument sub-categories. Do you want to undo your changes, or shall I? (I am going to bed now - but it can probably wait a bit if you're busy). Ha sido bueno hablar con usted - gracias y recuerdos (which I hope means "It has been good to talk with you - thanks and best wishes"!) Bencherlite 01:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
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