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[edit] Carrick District Council

I'm removing the statement: "Carrick is also a local government district in Cornwall and the knot is the emblem of Carrick District Council." from the Etymology section. Assuming this organization does in fact use the knot as an emblem, and I did not see it on their website, it appears they chose after the knot already had that name rather than being the source. See the bottom part of this page. (Incidentally, it would be interesting to get more information or photos of the knots depicted in Ormonde Castle...) --Dfred 03:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Carricky-on-Suir?

In an edit at 2006-11-12T22:55:20 the user at 70.73.37.17 changed Carrick-on-Suir to Carricky-on-Suir, breaking the link. I could find no Google matches for Carricky-on-Suir so I reverted this edit. If the correct name is Carricky, please provide a reference. --Dfred 15:36, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wake Knot

The heraldic device is more commonly called a "Wake Knot". It is the emblem of the Wake family, of whom Hereward the Wake is the name which springs to mind. The knot appears as an emblem in many areas where the family held land, particularly in Lincolnshire. It appears as a device on the Coat of Arms of the town of Bourne. The emblematic use of the knot appears to be in the right of the family, and they have been known to take a dim view of usage they deem inappropriate (certainly in Bourne it is a no-no).

In view of the comments in the article, and notwithstanding the Wikipedia strictures about original research, it might be worthwhile to establish whether the buildings where the knot has been used decoratively have (or have had) any connection with the Wake family.

Guy 10:09, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd not heard of that particular name/association, but it is interesting information. Sounds like the Wake family's claim might be a regional thing. The knot is definitely used in other coats of arms, for instance the City of Dundee uses it -- see page 8 of this PDF for a hi-res version. Wikipedians in the UK (I'm not) probably have access much better reference materials wrt these questions. --Dfred 18:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This is the Coat of Arms of Bourne Town Council [1]. I do not have the written description of the Arms to hand, which will describe the knot. Comparing these descriptions will be a starting-point for a researcher. In heraldry the artist works with the heraldic description to produce a picture, and therefore there might be slight differences, even between pictures of the same Arms. Often features are more stylised, that is the skill of a good heraldic artist. Guy 20:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

This is interesting: [2]. It is a description of the Stafford knot. The Stafford knot (not "Staffordshire") is the emblem of the Stafford family, and is tied using a single strand. It seems that there is some common ancestry there (the Stafford family was linked to the Wake family). Guy 16:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)