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[edit] Image Issues

The image of Carlito should not be there since it is copywritten. No copywritten work!

That is why when you click the picture, it says Copyrighted. Therefore, you are allowed.CMC 06:09, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
No, that's not how copyright works. — Gwalla | Talk 06:53, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Debut

Johnny Nitro didn't win the WWE Tag Team Title upon his debut; he'd been one of Bischoff's lackeys for a few months prior to his disappearance and return, and he also wrestled a couple matches on RAW. Therefore he shouldn't be on the list, I would think. ekedolphin 08:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

While true I don't believe WWE is recognizing that he was Bischoff's lackey. That's how WWE works. They'll just assume we'll forget.
Johhny Nitro won the tag title on his 2nd week on SmackDown. Does that count as a debut?--web_kai2000 12:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
He was not in a match before then so yes it would count as his in ring debut... if it was his first match but he had been Bischoff's lackey prior to that
Why the hell are we talking about Johnny Nitro? This is Carlito's talk page, not Johnny Nitro.--Ed-kipedia

[edit] Finishing Move

I'm not sure how many people read the discussion page, but I think it would be best to debate Carlito's finishing move and its name here rather than endless alterations to the article.

I believe Carlito's finisher is currently an unnamed Rolling Cutter. WWE.com claims his finisher is a Modified Swinging Neck Breaker, but I believe they had this listed back when Carlito debuted as Carlito Caribbean Cool and used this move.

It would be illogical for "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" to describe his recent finisher as it is a cutter, not a neck breaker. Moreover, it makes perfect sense for "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" to refer to his older move, the Overdrive, as that is a neck breaker.

So, in summary: 1) "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker" was a description used when Carlito used a different move. 2) Carlito's older move is a neck breaker, just like the "Modified Swinging Neck Breaker". 3) Carlito's current move is a cutter, not a neck breaker. ~WikiFew

  • No, back when he was using the Overdrive (He called it the Cool-Breaker) as a finisher, his WWE.com profile listed his finishing move as, indeed, the Cool-Breaker. It was changed to what it is now when he started using the Rolling Cutter. 82.80.43.104 18:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
on a side note a "Cutter" is indeed a neckbreaker (an inverted neckbreaker in fact) --- Paulley 14:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The modified swinging neckbreaker is the rolling cutter because the modified part referse to the fact it is reversed.His current finisher is the Backcracker


[edit] Carlito's Lifting Reverse STO.

Isn't it a reverse side slam? A regular side slam is a lifting STO, any way you slice it. Wouldn't his move better be listed as a reverse side slam, and perhaps a section in Powerslam made? Or would be it too non-notable? Methnor 13:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

No it is in fact a lifting reverse STO, Carlito applies the front STO hold lifts the opponent up into an elevated hold and drops the opponent with the complete shot. Shelton Benjamin has been known for using a Reverse Side Slam, this however is a different move.

[edit] Text Cleanup

I did a major cleanup in the WWE section, summarizing the main arc of Carlito's career. I am begging you, my colleagues, do not be tempted to start the "On the _____ edition of RAW, Carlito did this (insert 85 paragraphs of meaningless detail)" up again! Just because something happens does not mean it needs to be in Wikipedia. Bcarlson33 20:18, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw plenty of this, however, I did not finish. Thanks, man. Jman5 06:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I think this is a prototype wrestler page. Perfect balance achieved. Two thumbs up. Eenu (talk) 10:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved

I decided to change the page name to Carlito. He is known under that name far more than any other name. OsFan 13:49, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

not a very good idea if you dont intend tyo clean up redirects... im moving back most wrestlers are put under there real names as carlito a=is only a gimmick and he hasn't had t for that long --- 88.109.12.79 13:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Please learn to speak/type in English. I can't understand anything you wrote after the redirect portion. As far as the redirects go, someone could easily handle that, or I could investigate that, but since I am very busy on Wikipedia, I'm sure someone could contribute. 144.126.76.14 23:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The previous comment was said by user: OsFan
i would have to agree, its a short lived stage name --- Paulley 14:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Referring to the article as Carlito makes the most sense because that is what the guy is known by. How many people know the guy's real name? I would imagine that if there is/was a way to track how a guy is searched, Carlito would turn up the most. The guy has had the gimmick for a long while now, and I see him keeping it in the forseeable future.144.126.76.14 23:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
The previous comment was said by user: OsFan

[edit] Funny

Hilarious that no one has the balls to address what I said. OsFan 14:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

This isn't a pro wrestling show, so there's no need to be so argumentative. A redirect to this page for Carlito is fine, but it would be a mistake to rename the page after a relatively new gimmick. Bcarlson33 17:27, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay. I'll let it go. I'd like to apologize for being immature. I should have gotten a consensus before doing the move. OsFan 12:44, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fan names section

This is a section from the Revision as of 17:12, 7 April 2006

==Finishing and signature moves==

===Fan names===

Though Carlito has yet to offically name most of his signature moves many of Carlito's fans have referred to them under a variety of names:

  • "Carlito's Way" (DDT)
  • "Cool Crunch" (Lifting reverse STO)
  • "Cool Cutter" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
  • "Twisty McDeathSault" (Double springboard turning somersault senton splash)
  • "Apple Of My Eye" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
  • "Caribbean Twist" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)
  • "Cabana Twist" (Modified swinging neckbreaker)

Though BionicWilliam believes this isnt needed... but i think it is... it gives good information on the offical names and unofficial names the moves are referred as... even detailing the names used by announcers (which are not offical; as correctly stated User:88.153.48.54 "even Joey Styles said it wasn't the official name, and that's just what he calls it.") Another good reason to keep the section is that it stops the adding of incorrect information on the move names which takes up most of the edits on this page.. on that note i wouls also like to say the vary next edit after BionicWilliam removed the section was the poor attempt of adding names of each move which for the most part were unofficial (see here) --- I just wanted to see what everyone else thought about it and see if we could have a vote too keep it or not --- Paulley 14:10, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

The Reson I think the Fans Names is un nessacry is that it's not used in any other Wikipedia Article, About the finishers I see what your saying but usually what an annoucers call a move is better thenn what IWC calls it since the IWC never has the same opinion on anything. WWE.com is not the best resource for what finishers are called since they rarely update there stars statboxes or finishers. Until Carlito or WWE (by the Website,Fantasy or Magazines) states what his moves are called they should be left generic. BionicWilliam 18:15, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Well i wouldn't mind leaving them generic but its everyone else that wont seem to leave it alone.. plus "fan names" is in use in other articles (see Amy Dumas) --- Paulley 13:50, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
A little after Carlito started using his rolling cutter regularly, WWE.com updated his finisher to "Modified swinging neckbreaker", before that it was "Cool-Breaker". I'd say WWE.com is official enough. 88.153.48.54 06:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Well if that is true then yes you can put that the Overdrive's name was Cool-Breaker --- Paulley 12:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Backcracker.

For christ's sake, people, stop changing the Double-knee backbreaker's name to Backcracker. Shortly after Styles started commentating on RAW, he said it during one of Carlito's matches. Lawler went "...Backcracker?", Styles said "Well, it's not the official name, but that's what I call it".

If any other wrestler was to use that move during a match that Styles was commentating, he'd call it a Backcracker. 84.94.186.44 14:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yea, i have made a note of it in the trivia section andi will add something to the hidden text to direct editors their --- Paulley 20:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
We are right in thinking that Styles would use that description for any wrestler that uses the move so that actually gives us caus to put Backcraker on the move list but not as a name but as a move description (basically without the itallics). Like "Stunner" and "Cutter", Backcraker can be considered a quick term to replace the techniqual standard i.e Cutter and Stunner = Three Quater Facelock Bulldog/Jawbreaker (respectively) while Backcraker = Double-knee Backbreaker.
So if Carlito was to one day name the move we could write it like this
  • Cool-Craker (Backcraker)
I would prefer to see OJ, Striker, or Dupree use the move and have it called the backcraker before doing this... but i think it is an idea to be considered. --- Paulley 09:43, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

For God's sake man! It is cracker! There is another 'c' in it! Back-cracker! It hurts my mind!

I think the issue is now settled since Lawler called it the "Backcracker" when he had to call the Carlito & RVD VS Chris Masters & Sheleton Benjamin tag team match alone on May 1st. Night Bringer 11:58am (GMT +10) May 9th 2006

.*sigh* I'm getting sick and tired of changing it back to double knee backbreaker all the friggin' time. I want a machine that bashes people's heads into their monitor, and then automatically goes to this talk page when it noticed them adding "Backcracker" to the article. I swear, one day I'm going to have an anyurism. 88.155.4.94 09:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, on the Spanish language version of the WWE RAW telecast, the announcers directly refer to Carlito's signature backbreaker move as the "Back Cracker" whenever he does it. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:30, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Apple Origin

On the last RAW, Carlito said that he spit his first apple at his principal for wanting him to not be cool (or something like that.) He was expelled but has always carried an apple since then... is this worth adding to the page?

No. That could just be kayfabe or a twisting of a true story. This kind of material is what bogs down Wikipedia too. OsFan 16:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys, I know pretty much nothing about wrestling but would be interested to know at least some basic facts. I had a look at the kayfabe article and wasn't able to figure out how, and if, it differs from simply "acting". The issue is: if it's just acting then the article could be much shorter, and if it is something different I am not able to grasp that from the article. Is it just me? --Gennaro Prota 17:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Kayfabe refers to the acting; however the events are portrayed as real. For example, WWE doesn't acknowledge that Stephanie McMahon and Triple H are married, nor do they recognize their influence behind the scenes. In Carlito's case, he could simply be making up history to suit his character. Your question may be better suited for the talk: Kayfabe page, however. I'm going to copy and paste part of the discussion over there. This page is about Carlito OsFan 22:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Choice of Lifestyle?

Should his "choice of lifestyle" be noted in trivia? User:Slapslapslap

Choice of lifestyle? At any rate, personal stuff should be added to the personal information section. --Jtalledo (talk) 17:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
O ok. I heard somewhere that Carlito was gay. Is that true? User:Slapslapslap
I haven't heard, and unless a reliable source confirms it, it should not go here. That would be speculation. OsFan 23:07, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Carlito is not gay. Carlito is the ladies man.

Stupid answers.com providing me with false info >:( Debt Jr.

[edit] "personal life" or "trivia"??

does anyone else think that the section called "personal life" should be called "trivia"? it doesn't seem to me like there is anything about his personal life, just little tidbits of info. Katie 01:17, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Heat"

Why has Carlito been on Heat so much lately? Katie 04:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wreckless Intent?

so is carlito ever going to use his theme thats on the wreckless intent album?

[edit] Succession Boxes

How come they were done away with in this article? I've also seen this happen in some other articles as well. OsFan 01:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Some of the members decided to use a list-based format - there was discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional Wrestling. I believe the list isn't much of an improvement though. This stuff should be mentioned as prose in the career section. --Jtalledo (talk) 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hurricanrana or Frankensteiner?

Carlito started using the Standing headscissors move, but it seems to me that his move is a Frankensteiner since he doesn't pin them, he just throws them away. Thats pretty much the exact definition of a Frankensteiner. Cheers, Dubbya9 06:21, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter anymore, hurricanrana has become the name for any move similiar to it --Trick man01 10:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Atlethic Improvement

Do you guys think that his constant and impressive atlethic performance improvement should be noted somewhere in the article? Or do you feel that to be irrelevant? Vicius 17:21, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it shouldn't. He said in an interview that he's always been capable of doing high-flying moves, and he just didn't use them as much when he was a heel. Mr. Papaya 02:10, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay man, thank you very much. Vicius 07:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My two cents on the Carlito article, and the moves section in general.

I think that this page usually sucks! It usually needs to be cleaned up badly. The finishing moves section is terrible, as we have people calling moves what they are not, like "Cool Shot" and all that. If a WWE Commentator doesn't refer to a move as whatever name you see on wiki (Like Cool-Breaker, or Cool-Shot), Then you shouldn't add it into the article. Just because you see it called that in SmackDown! vs RAW 2006 or 2007, doesn't mean that they are ALWAYS the official names. If you are gonna put in a name like cool shot, carlito's way, or cool breaker, please give us a source on where you found the name from. This goes for other articles, like Johnny Nitro's. I see people adding in moves like Nitrosault, Super Nitrosault, Nitro Twister, Super Nitro Twister, and such. You see these names in the video game, and you think thats the official name. The reason why the game developers put names like that in there, is because wrestler being created may do a unique version of the move (i.e. corkscrew moonsault). Its this way they can distinguish the different versions. They may have another corkscrew moonsault in there, and they don't want the player to be confused. So in closing, please just add moves that the wrestler has done more than ONCE into the moves list.

TJ Sparks 03:15am, Nov. 27, 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Regarding editing the Canadian information about Carlito.

I am wondering why someone keeps editing out the Canadian information about Carlito? All of this information is factual. Carly is both Puerto Rican and Canadian. I have provided three sources proving this fact. First source, Dave Meltzer, the most well respected journalist in professional wrestling, whom stated in his Observer Newsletter that Carly's mother is Canadian, thus making Carly a Canadian too. Also, I have listed the Canadian government's official site on immigration and citizenship, which states that anyone born to a Canadian citizen after February 14, 1977 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent. Carly is the son of a Canadian mother and was born in 1979, thus he is a Canadian citizen. Moreover, I even included an interview Carly had with the Ottawa Sun, in which he clearly acknowledges that he is Canadian, and that his mother, Nancy, is a native of Toronto, and that he often visits family while in Toronto. These sources are all accurate. If that weren't enough, my friend actually met Chris Jericho, and Jericho also stated that Carlito is a dual American and Canadian citizen. So, please stop editing out my factual contributions. I put a lot of hard work into this and it is comepletely accurate. I do not feel that it is right to eliminate such an imporant piece of information about Carly. If you want to discuss this more with me, email me at stevenguardino2@yahoo.com, and I will be glad to discuss the topic. But, if you do keep editing out this information, I will continue to reprint it because it is completely accurate. User:Scanadiense 15:20, Dec. 8, 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Dual citizenship is very notable, and seeing as Carly Colón is indeed Canadian this fact should be mentioned in the article. -- THLR 22:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted the deletions by CarlitoCool, and am posting a note on on his talk page, which hopefully will get his attention. John Broughton | Talk 14:58, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In need of cleanup, again

I believe the "World Wrestling Council" section needs some cleanup, it has references to every thing that happened during every tv episode of wwc for a few weeks some of it might be unsourced and confusing for the casual reader, What do you think? Dark Dragon Flame | Talk 17 December 2006

I agree. It isn't written in an encyclopedic tone either. -- THL 08:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Seeing the whole section was erased by someone, I added accurate info on his story, if anyone knows something important please add it, but remember to use an encyclopedic tone and only add important stuff, thanks.-Dark Dragon Flame 21 December 2006

Cool, that saved some time. Sadly, I know almost nothing about his WWC days, so I won't be of any help. -- THL 00:20, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah it saved some time, but it has me worried there were also sings of vandalism (in this case they screwed up a link and added nonsense), we must keep this page under surveinlance, if it keeps happening we must consider at least partial protection, so let's be on our feet!-Dark Dragon Flame 21 December 2006

You got it. So you're saying that the section blanking may have been vandalism that inadvertently helped us, correct? -- THL 01:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

That's what it looks like, the change was made by user "Johniblue" he claimed that he was doing cleanup but what was left was really confusing for the casual reader, it was a mixed up of the story of Ray gonzalez and Carly, what little (a short paragraph) he left made carlito look as he started as a heel and that he was in an feud with his father, this never happened! It may have been a mistake but if it was why didn't he reverted it? that fact made me almost certain that it was indeed vandalism, the someone went and screwed the link and added nonsense, that was oviously a vandal, it's starting to look like what happened on Jonh Cena's page, It's our job to look up this kind of thing, sorry for the long reply-Dark Dragon Flame 21 December 2006

I've written longer replies before, and this is important. I'll keep an eye on this page and that user. Cheers, -- THL 04:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The champ isn't here

Ok Carlito is not the WWC champion this was clarified just yesterday, it was written that he was the champion because even though he didn't had the belt even the announcers called him the champion and he was regarded as so, this is the reason I failed to delete that and put it right, yesterday it was announced that Heidenreich will defend the belt aganist Carlito's brother Eddie Colon and he was refered to as the champion by default, I already fixed both the Carlito and WWC Universal Heavyweight Championship pages, I'm terribly sorry if this caused any confusion-Dark Dragon Flame 16:31, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cool Shot Is Now Offical Name

The name for his lifting reverse STO is the Cool Shot. I've heard both Lawler And JR call it that at least once, and that's the name they give it on Smackdown! Vs. Raw 2007 Okay? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.135.62.114 (talk) 22:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Once is not enought let's give it at least one more match, if they repeat it then I'll add it-Dark Dragon Flame 01:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Also names given in video games aren't official-Dark Dragon Flame 01:34, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I'll Wait.

[edit] Canadian?

Should Carlito really be under the Canadian wrestlers catagory just because he has a Canadian background? He's was born and is from Puerto Rico so that's really his nationality, not Canadaian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jetsmets713 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC).


Hello, yes Carlito should be under Canadian wrestlers. Not only is his mother Canadian, but he is also a Canadian citizen! If he just had Canadian ancestry, like the Rock has, I wouldn't include him as a Canadian professional wrestler. However, I have already cited my sources earlier in this talk and also was approved. The reason why Carlito is a Canadian citizen is because he was born in 1979 to a Canadian mother. Canadian nationality law states that anyone born to a Canadian parent after 14 February 1977 is automatically a Canadian citizen by descent. Therefore, while he is Puerto Rican (and thus an American citizen), he is also very much a Canadian (since he holds Canadian citizenship as well). Being a Canadian citizen means you're a national of Canada, and therefore that is also your nationality. Therefore, Carlito holds dual nationality. He's acknowledged his Canadian roots, is in the SlamWrestling Canadian Hall of Fame also. Moreover, my friend in Tampa even met Chris Jericho and I asked him if he could ask Jericho if Carlito holds Canadian citizenship, which he did. ANd Jericho confirmed that Carlito is a dual American and Canadian citizen. Therefore, he is just as Canadian. Here is the link to the official website of Citizenship and Immigration Canada regarding Canadian citizenship to children of Canadians born abroad http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizen/bornout-info.html

And here is the SlamWrestling Canadian Hall of Fame, which also lists Carlito http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/hallofame.html

Please, do not keep editing this information out because it is accurate and relevant. He is Puerto Rican and Canadian. And I will continue to revert these edits. Also, if you would like to contact me to discuss this more, let me know.

User:Scanadiense 04:16, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah please stop editing it out, it's really anoying having to revert it without a justified reason. -Dark Dragon Flame 04:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move war

Article moved back. Parties interested in renaming/moving this page are kindly pointed to WP:RM, especially the procedure therein, in order to reach a consensus and do the move properly. The unilateral moves tend to screw up everything in sight, expecially creating lots of undesired Wikipedia:Double redirects. Thanks. Duja► 10:44, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

That was because a new editor moved the page, and then someone else who didn't know how to revert page moves moved it to the wrong page title. When I attempted to move it back here I discovered that I was unable to do so with the page history in tact, so I had to leave it to someone with more experience in this type of thing. Thanks for fixing it, -- The Hybrid 23:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Glad to see it was fixed, That's cool! -Dark Dragon Flame 23:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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