Talk:Carl Tanzler
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[edit] Name
[edit] Carl
A little too much is being made of his name "changes". His family mostlikely hailed from the town of Cosel in Silesia, hence the "von Cosel". You seem to be implying that he was always planning on doing something untoward since he used a different name on his immigration documents. In fact, the discrepancy between his immigration documents and his birth certificate is not unique. Many Germans anglicized their names in a similar way. Pbasu 18:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- I am just being methodical, and want to make sure anyone searching for him under another name will find him here. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 23:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Elena
Speaking of names, someone changed Elena's last name to "de Hoyos" and referred to her as "Helen" (the English variant of Elena). All references I have reviewed refer to Elena as Elena Hoyos (and/or Mesa, her husband's name). If all agree, I think we should change it back to Hoyos (unless the person that made the edit can support it). Sundevilesq 18:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Necrophilia allegation
I really don't think the fact that no newspapers reported the guy having sex with the effigy via a tube that acted as a vagina in 1940 is clear evidence against it having happened. I don't think that sort of thing would pass the editor's decency restrictions in most newspapers TODAY, never mind in 1940.
- I am sure it would have come out at the trial in explicit detail, and the newspapers would have used the euphemisms of the time to describe it. I am skeptical of the modern anecdote without any paper trail. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 21:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Both definitive, and well researched, accounts of this bizarre story, Ben Harrison's "Undying Love," and Tom Swicegood's "Von Cosel" (as well as the HBO Autopsy episode) report that Von Cosel DID have sex with the corpse. I agree that the lack of exposure in the then current media of 1940 doesn't make the necrophilia "allegation" somehow unfounded (as was the similar lack of coverage of the extent of FDR's polio, etc.) I think it needs to be added, and taken out of "Apocryphal Stories" (which I believe is a useless subtitle anyway).Sundevilesq 18:52, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Doris, Elena and Carl
Intersting story, but there's a couple of things I'd like to have added to the article if knowledgable editors will oblige. When Carl "left his family behind" in 1927, did he abandon them? Divorce? The timeline has Doris and Carl recorded as living together in the 1930 census. Was Doris aware of Carl's passion for Elena? Also, Carl wrote an autobigraphy. How did he justify his actions? Can someone with access to the book add a passage in Carl's own words? How long and how well did Carl know Elena before she died? Her family seems to have trusted him. Cheers! - ntennis 06:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] References Needed
This article needs references with footnotes. I will attempt to add a few myself (mainly from "Undying Love" and "Von Cosel") when I get a chance.Sundevilesq 18:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wikisource
It looks like the funeral notices that I added to wikisource were deleted. They had the references we are looking for. I think someone has confused the legal standing of a funeral notice as a paid advertisement; and an obituary, which has the legal status of a copyrighted biography.
- Doris Tanzler's obituary is still in the article (in the "See Also" section). Do you have Carl's? His obituary would make a great addition (and source) as it is quoted in the "Later Life and Death" section.Sundevilesq 17:14, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] repeated references
Cant you just put multiple numbers next to each of the three references, each time you refer to one of the three books. Its a lot of duplication for the three sources.
- I agree. I tried to get it to repeat within the three book references (like the HBO Autopsy reference), but couldn't get it to work. If anyone else knows how to fix it, please do! Sundevilesq 04:00, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I havent a clue! references have become over-complicated and there are now a dozen ways to represent them, each more complicated than the other!
[edit] Anna Constantia Gräfin von Cosel
The ancestor that purportedly revealed Tanzler's true love in youthful visions was apparently some German noblewoman. She has a page on Wikipedia-Germany,[1] but it doesn't translate into English (only Polish). Apparently, she was from the Dresden area, and I would bet Tanzler just copped her name when he left Germany and is of no relation (just my opinion). In any event, if anyone knows how to link her name to the German Wikipage, I think that would be helpful (as would an English translation and new page).Sundevilesq 01:02, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Obituaries and coverage in the Florida papers
I still have the photocopies of the material somewhere, but it looks like most of what I scanned was deleted. I had transcribed his obituary and some of the court documents. There were three family obituaries that gave the info on his children
[edit] GA nomination approved
It's well written, well referenced, covers the entirety of the subject matter, offers a neutral POV and has well cited and subject appropriate images. Congrats! Nja247 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
