Talk:Carl Albert

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I read that there was a certain amount of hesitence at the time to having Albert assume the Presidency because he was thought to be a heavy drinker. Should this be mentioned? -R. fiend 23:26, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Also, is his statement that if he assumed the Presidency he would step down when a replacement was selected a precedent? As it never panned out in the first place, and has certainly never been repeated, I don't think it qualifies. -R. fiend 07:38, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm going to add the fact that there is a college in LeFlore County named for him. If anyone sees a better place in the article for it, feel free to move it.--Thudgens 19:41, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

  • the Carl Albert saying he'd serve as acting president only 1973 senerio, made me think of a real potential brain twister: What if Bush & Cheney died ,at the same time?. the Speaker of the House ,it's seems would only become Acting President. If that's a fact, does the Nation go without a President for the rest of the elected Term? Since no-wheres in the Constitution does it say an Acting-President can nominate someone for Vice-President.
    • I assume you mean will the nation go without a Vice-President. Well, I'm no constitutional scholar, but I thought that one of the more recent amendments to the constitution states that the VP (or, I assume anyone further down who assumes the position of President due to death or whatever) does not just become the acting-President, but the actual President in all capacities. So he could appoint a VP,a s any other sitting President can. I'm not 100% on this, however. -R. fiend 19:33, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
My understanding is as R. Fiend's. It has, however, been suggested that the current presidential succession act, including the Speaker and President pro tem, is unconstitutional, because the Speaker and President pro tem are officers of the congress, not officers of the United States. But that's all hypothetical. john k 19:52, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
If Bush and Cheney both died, then the Speaker of the House (still Denny Hastert at this writing) would become President and would then nominate a new VP. The constitutionality of the succession act is pretty clear from Article II, Section 1: "Congress may by law provide for the case of removal, death, resignation or inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what officer shall then act as President, and such officer shall act accordingly, until the disability be removed, or a President shall be elected." An officer of the Congress of the United States is an officer of the United States. The issue of greater concern is the 4th in line, the President Pro Tempore (PPT) of the Senate. By tradition, that purely ceremonial post is held by the longest-serving Senator of the majority party, which, at the moment (until January 3) is the batsh**-insane Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska. Either the Senate should change the PPT to a real position, or the succession act should be changed so that someone like the Majority Leader takes the PPT's slot. Lincmad 16:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • If Nixon had resigned before Ford's confirmation, I believe Albert would have had to become President (not just acting-president)and would have had to complete the term (unless he died, resigned or was removed from office),until 1977. Furthermore ,if he'd had wished the Ford nomination to continue, and not named his own nominee ,Ford (upon confirmation) would become Vice President under President Albert. Mightberight/wrong 13:39, 28 October 2005
    • I'll say this much, old Carl Albert was no John Tyler. When Tyler (as VP) was faced with Presidential Succession (before the 25th amendment) in April 1841, upon President Harrison death. He seen to it, that there was no 'Acting' about it. He was the New President , said so and defiantly took the Presidential Oath of Office (upon his arrival in Washington DC). Thus establishing a very important precedent, (at least for VP's). Would House Speaker Albert have been as bold? Mightberight/wrong 13:41, 28 October 2005.

"He thus announced that should the need arise for him to assume the presidency, he would do so only in an acting capacity, and would resign immediately after both Houses of Congress (in accordance with Section 2 of the 25th Amendment) had approved a Republican Vice President." Upon reading this, it made absolute no sense at all since Carl Albert being in the presidency would have to be the one to nominate the Vice President. The Constitution explictly states that it is the President and not anyone else who decides on who fills the Vice Presidential vacancy. Therefore there will be this conflict for him in nominating a Republican for the Vice Presidency. Does he as a Democrat risk nominating someone who could become a strong candidate for the Republican nomination? Even if Albert is correct about serving in the Presidency in an acting capacity prior to a Republican Vice President being approved by Congress, how long will this new Vice President have to served before taking over the presidency. One minute, one day, one month??? The fact that he was not from the same party as Nixon is not reason enough to be an Acting President. Democrat Andrew Johnson for example became President upon the Republican Abraham Lincoln's assasination and served out the rest of the term. If the whole the Republicans have been elected to the Presidency was such an issue for him, the best he could have done was for him to serve out the rest of the term and make a pledge not to seek election for the presidency in 1976. In my opinion the whole point of the presidential line of succession was to ensure a smooth presidential transition. Carl Albert had no right to be an Acting President since the line of succession obligates him to take on the presidency on a more permanent basis.--The Shadow Treasurer 04:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it would be a "conflict" for a Democrat Prez to nominate a Republican Veep, but Albert said plainly that he would do exactly that, and resign immediately upon the new Veep's confirmation. The instant the new Veep is confirmed and takes the oath of office, he jumps to the front of the line of succession. (He doesn't even have to be in office for a full minute.) President Albert could then resign, leaving the new VP as Prez. Carl Albert would have every right to resign as President for any reason he wanted; anything else would be involuntary servitude. Lincmad 16:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
See discussion on Talk: President pro tempore of the United States Senate, Carl Albert may have been right (in becoming only Acting President). GoodDay 22:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reopening an old can of worms

Here's something American historians have been arguing over for years. Does the Vice-President of the United States and if no VP ,then the next in line, automatically become President when the previous President dies, resigns or is removed from office, or does he or she have to take the Presidential Oath of Office to become the new President? Example: November 22, 1963 from the moment JFK died, did LBJ become President or did he stay Vice-President until 2½ hours later when he took the Presidential Oath of Office aboard Air Force One? 23 October 2005.

I don't think that's something anyone has argued about, because the answer is crystal clear: no one becomes President without taking the oath of office. The VP or the Speaker or anyone else in the line of succession might become acting President, but not President, without the oath. Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution is unambiguous: "Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation..." Lincmad 16:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
At Noon EST Inauguration Day, the President-elect assumes office (oath or no oath) see Zachary Taylor & David Rice Atchison pages. Similarly, If a President dies, resigns is removed from office, the Vice President becomes President immediately (oath or no oath). GoodDay 22:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Acting President

This article and other 'next in line' related articles, need complete re-writes. ONLY the Vice President can become President in the case of a Presidential death, resignation or removal from office. All other officials (in the Presidential line of succession) can only assume the Presidential powers & duties as 'Acting President'. GoodDay 18:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

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