Image talk:Carson.JPG

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I uploaded this image but can't tag it since it's protected. I'd like it tagged fair use if possible. --Chrysaor

Ok, thanks. Could you specify where you got it from? --fvw* 22:23, 2005 Jan 24 (UTC)

This qualifies as a promotional photograph and shold be tagged using {{promophoto}}. Unprotect it too. Cookiecaper 02:49, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh, right, didn't know we had that. A source would still be nice though. As for the protection, all in all I'd rather keep that until it's off the front page, we've seen quite enough shock images on the front page for my tastes. --fvw* 02:53, 2005 Jan 25 (UTC)

[edit] Info from Wikipedia:Image sleuthing

• Used in Johnny Carson and, recently, the front page.
• Image article says it is from MPTV.Net - http://www.mptv.net ... digging around reveals a "TERMS" bottom menu item on http://www.netropolisusa.biz/mptv/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi?login=1 leading to a conclusion of copyvio (about which I;ve done nothing 'cos I'm trying to do some irl work :( --Tagishsimon (talk)
  • It's worth contacting MPTV about this image - sources have in the past been happy to license some material, particularly following a positive and proactive contact like saying someone has uploaded an image which appears as though it might be one they have the rights to. A photo credit to the source from one of the top 100 English language sites on the net has promotional value for them even if we provide it just because it's normal practice to provide such photo credits - and a reduced resolution version, say, wouldn't harm their market for the full resolution version. MPTV mentions that the original image is a 1980 shot from The Tonight Show, presumably a PR image for it. Jamesday 08:13, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Any replacement probably will have to be fair use. Looked for a publicity still at the official Johnny Carson Tonight Show site, but their terms and conditions are pretty draconian,[1] and I'm not sure whether fair use trumps that. Perhaps an {{Video tape cover}} like this one.
• The Library of Congress's Manuscripts Division has some of Carson's papers (look for "Carson" here), which may or may not include photographs, but they haven't been digitized yet. --MarkSweep 07:09, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Just be aware that LOC doesn't equal PD. You have to check the copyright status of the particular work or collection. Kbh3rd 14:32, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Sure. But it's convenient that the LoC keeps track of sources and rights, so we don't have to do any extra work. --MarkSweep 18:14, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)
• Fair use trumps any statement of restriction of use. I think we should use ((promophoto)) on the current image, and keep it. – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 21:56, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Yeah, if you claim Fair Use it doesn't matter what their license is. I think we can safely tag this one as promophoto and use it in the carson article. --fvw* 15:04, 2005 Feb 2 (UTC)