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TheRingess 08:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Massachusetts towns infoboxes.

Nice job on Template:Infobox Town MA! —Markles 21:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FKCGW

FCKGW really means 'FUCK GENUINE WINDOWS' <=> FCK,G,W --200.158.231.192 09:21, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

  • You are referring to my removing your phrase "FCKGW means 'FuCK Genuine Windows'" from FCKGW. You simply tacked that phrase onto the end of the article without even putting a period at the end of the sentence. Also, when you added it to the article you gave no context, no factual evidence that that is the official name, and no note saying that it is only slang. It clearly deserved to be deleted from that article. If you support it with evidence and put it in context, then I have no problem with it being added. Finally, please note that I spend lots of time reverting vandalism, and this definitely looked to me like vandalism at the time, due to it's lack of grammar, inclusion of the work "FUCK" and lack of any context in the article. --CapitalR 09:27, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I see you added it back to the article, but this time you explained it in context. Now that you have noted its origin and that it is only slang, I have no problem letting it stay. I'm glad we were able to improve Wikipedia together. --CapitalR 09:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Whoops, double revert.

Heh! So about that Kevin Peitersen revert... looks like I was little slow. Hopefully you don't mind, but it was an accident. Logical2u 20:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

  • Not a problem...we got rid of the vandalism in the end. --CapitalR 20:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

Hi I'm a new Wikipedian from Natick... just popped in to say hello to a neighbor:

This user is a citizen of the United States of America.
This user is from Massachusetts.

Image:Peace Sign 2.svg Merlinus (talk)

  • Hi I Am Marc:

I was recently married to my lovely wife; We have lived together for several years already...

  • We love cats (3 currently own us)... Jeffy(15), Echo(6) & Gizmo(3). All sleep with us in the big bed and no room to move an inch.
  • I was Disabled in a 1993 (Coma)/ and am very slowly recovering. It's tough going out sometimes, though with friends I still do. I have a few supportive friends.
  • I am an "Unenrolled voter." Democrat/ Republicans, I don't care, whoever serves makes my life better in the long run I vote for!
  • Avid reader. Has collection of many hundreds of rare books. Especially Science Fiction and Fantasy.
  • Avid Music collector (2,500 albums)...mostly bootlegs...mostly rare bootlegs...Stones, Kinks, Clapton, Beatles. and solos!

I am what I am I'm strongly opinionated about disabled peoples' rights and jobs for American citizens who have trouble finding minimum wage jobs in my state today and support Universal health care, I would be dead if I did not have it. I am an idiot about Internet social skills. I hope that the Immigration Reform bill will protect disabled citizens who wish to work like myself first before considering allowing new people to come here. I was searching for an internet forum to be my outlet to express my needs, but found that Wikipedia is not best suited for that. I'm brushing up on Wikipedia's rules of conduct, and slowly starting to begin contributing again.

Current book and CD I own hundreds of rare books

  • Current Book Jack Whyte: "Uther"
  • Current CD Faves:
    • Warren Zevon... "Life'll Kill Ya"
    • Howlin' Wolf: "Greatest Hits"
  • Latest Flick: "Charles II: The Last King"

Image:Peace Sign 2.svg Merlinus (talk)

  • Hi Merlinus, welcome to Wikipedia. It's good to see more fellow Bay-Staters here. Perhaps you might consider joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Massachusetts to help improve articles related to our state and its history. Let me know if you have any questions about how to get started. --CapitalR 22:19, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes, I am very interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Massachusetts as it affects every area of my life. Universal Health Care issues, Masshealth, The Various local Housing Authority cutbacks, benifit cutbacks, Town Services cutbacks like low income fuel subsidies (I don't get some of these, but I'm interested). I graduated from college in 1989 and it shocks me how many of the outright student tuition funds have dried up. In Massachusetts we are all more keenly aware of all this more than in other parts of the country. We tend to be better educated and surrounded by like people and schools so that compitition (sp) for the best jobs is intense. Image:Peace Sign 2.svg Merlinus (talk)--merlinus 22:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NavigationBox

I love what you've done with {{NavigationBox}}!!

  • Thanks, Markles. Personally I prefer using a bullet in Navigation boxes. For an example, see {{Tufts_Presidents}}. However, if I had to choose between commas and the pipe character, I would opt for the comma. I also much prefer having the font larger than what Jack Cox is forcing on the rest of us. His font is just a little too small to read, and your font size appears to be the standard. I've been following the edit/reversion wars he's been waging against you and I am almost always am on your side. It does not please me that he seems so unwilling to compromise or let anyone else edit "his" templates. Let me know if you ever need any help and I'll be happy to lend my opinion to a discussion or help make necessary changes. Keep up the good work! --CapitalR 10:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Act of State Doctrine

hey thanks for your comment on my Act of State Doctrine page, i appreciate it. Thanks again, Thetruthbelow 14:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I award you the Minor Barnstar

The Minor Barnstar
To thank you for your amazing minor editing on my Papal supremacy artice, you really improved its quality. Thank you again, Thetruthbelow 17:47, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tufts University Infobox

I saw you were trying to prevent our place-name from wrapping onto two lines. Rather than inserting an additional table in our instance of the infobox I went ahead and edited the template and inserted nbsp's into the place name to prevent it from ever wrapping. We'll see if other users of the template prefer their place name on a single line as well... —Jnk[talk] 15:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi Jnk, I was actually only using that code in the infobox to widen it to be 250px, the same as the picture below the infobox, and the standard width for many different infoboxes relating to Massachusetts articles (and so it doesn't look so squashed). The code you put in to {{Template:Infobox University}} basically accomplishes the same thing, and it looks good. Hopefully users of the infobox from other schools won't mind the change. --CapitalR 18:08, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Modifications to NavigationBox

Hi CapitalR, just a veeery quick question. As promised I'll follow up in the next days (when I'll also make a cleanup of the whole discussion). Could please tell me what the purpose of padding: 0em 0em... and then again 0em (;-)) is? (BTW, I think Wikipedia should have coding guidelines. I hate when people just remove a semicolon and says "removed unnecessary code" in the edit summary) --Gennaro Prota (talk) 18:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • On some versions of Firefox, the template looks very weird without the padding line in there (the padding for some reason defaults to a large value giving a large border around the title). As for the semicolons, having them in there or not doesn't really bother me. I don't ususally remove them when other people put them in, but User:Markles likes to get rid of them to simplify the code. I tend to put them in at the end of style statements just out of habit, and don't mind that others remove them. --CapitalR 20:52, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


Some of this text is copied from User talk:Gennaro Prota

Hi CapitalR, thanks for your fixes. I was just wondering what browser you are using: I ask because the center element shouldn't be needed (in fact everything works, without it, on Firefox 1.5.0.3) --Gennaro Prota (talk) 09:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Hi Gennaro Prota, thanks for helping with Template:NavigationBox. As for the edits I made to it after you:
    • I use Internet Explorer for my contributing, which doesn't require the center tag here. I put back the center tag just in case any other browser out there required it.
    • You seem to have deleted the margins before and after the template. When an article has more than one NavigationBox in a row, they would have no space between them at all. Thus, I had to put back in the margin settings we had before you changed the template.
    • As for margins for the "List" area, they were lopsided when you changed them (too much on top, too little on the left and right), so I evened them out.
    • For the image, you removed the part "width=1", which caused problems when the "List" area was short. The image would take up more space than it should have, making the template look funny. I put that piece of code back in to correct the problem. Essentially, this code keeps the border around the image tight.
    • Finally, I changed the font back to 90%, which is what was agreed upon a while ago through discussion on various related templates.
    • Let me know if you have any other questions, --CapitalR 09:19, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the exhaustive reply. I'll give a quick answer as I spent all night editing and need some rest :) But I'll get back to you. About the first two issues:
    • I intentionally removed the center tag, as it is deprecated, as you know. Maybe we could have waited and see *if* someone had problems without it
    • By "in a row" you mean "in a column"? :) I removed top and bottom margin because I think only the "calling context" can know what they should be. From within the template, we don't have info about "the surroundings", so to speak, so we can't decide.
(to be continued...)
--Gennaro Prota (talk) 09:33, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Hi again Gennaro Prota.
    • As for the center tags, it turns out you do need them in IE (or some other method of centering other than the center tag). Without them the NavigationBox templates are all slightly to the left of center. Thus, we need to keep the tag in there for now (or find another way of ensuring center-ness).
    • As for my point #2 above, I meant when you use multiple NavigationBox templates one after the other in an article. For example, the following shows two templates with and without the margin correction I put in (of course, no article actually calls these two particular templates one after the other, but some templates do use multiple NavigationBox templates in a row, such as Tufts University) The code for the templates one after the other in an article would be as follows:
{{Public colleges and universities in Colorado}}
{{Public colleges and universities in Connecticut}}
    • First, without the margin correction:
Public Colleges and Universities in Colorado
Adams State • Colorado • Colorado-Colorado Springs • Colorado-Denver • Colorado-Health Sciences • Colorado Mines • Colorado State • Colorado State-Pueblo • Fort Lewis • Mesa State • Metro State • Northern Colorado • Western State
Public Colleges and Universities in Connecticut
Central Connecticut • Charter Oak • Eastern Connecticut • Southern Connecticut • UConn • Western Connecticut
    • As you can see, this is a problem because there's no space between them. The following shows my corrected version:
Public Colleges and Universities in Colorado
Adams State • Colorado • Colorado-Colorado Springs • Colorado-Denver • Colorado-Health Sciences • Colorado Mines • Colorado State • Colorado State-Pueblo • Fort Lewis • Mesa State • Metro State • Northern Colorado • Western State
Public Colleges and Universities in Connecticut
Central Connecticut • Charter Oak • Eastern Connecticut • Southern Connecticut • UConn • Western Connecticut
    • Above, you can see the small space between the templates which makes it look much better. I think these margins make it very convenient to not have to worry about spacing when calling this template.
    • The next example shows a template without the "width=1" correction in it for the image:
University of North Texas System
Denton • Research Park • Dallas • Health Science Center
    • And now with the "width=1" correction to the image:
University of North Texas System
Denton • Research Park • Dallas • Health Science Center
    • Clearly there's a problem with the first image above because the borders aren't tight around it (at least using Internet Explorer). The "width=1" fix corrects this problem (even though it looks kind of funny in the code).
    • I hope this helps. Keep asking more questions if you like, --CapitalR 09:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi CapitalR, and sorry for the very late reply. I believed I had still to answer about some points above but upon re-reading the whole discussion it seems to me there's nothing to add. If you agree I would do some cleanup here and on the corresponding template discussion page. --Gennaro Prota•Talk 23:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Hey again - everything in the template now looks great and it all seems to be working smoothly. Thanks for helping with the updates and fixes. --CapitalR 00:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Thanks to you. It's a pleasure to work with kind and helpful people. --Gennaro Prota•Talk 00:49, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Extra "|"?

What does the extra "|" do in the parameters? That is, {{{Title|}}} instead of {{{Title}}}? —Markles 20:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

  • It's needed for the optional parameters of the navigational box. I noticed that some of the athletic conference nav boxes came up with the text "{{{Image}}}" where an image should be. That was fixed by replaceing {{{Image}}} with {{{Image|}}}. The same thing should be done for the other non-required parameters. I just took it out of Title and List (i.e. reverted them back to {{{Title}}} and {{{List}}}, even though it doesn't matter. The pipe after the variable name is used for default values. For example, if you use {{{Image|default.jpg}}} in a template, and pass the template a value for the Image variable, then the pipe isn't used. However, if you don't pass that template a value for Image, then the Image variable will default to default.jpg. By using {{{Image|}}} in the template, it sets the value of the variable to nothing if no value is passed. Thus, in the athletic conference navigation boxes, if the Image variable isn't set, it will default to being blank instead of being the text "{{{Image}}}". I hope that made sense, ask me again if my explanation wasn't clear. --CapitalR 20:27, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The question of template categorization

As you might have noticed, I've been categorizing navigational templates (along with anything else I happen to come across in my search). It is a huge relief to know that someone is keeping an eye on things.

Of course, I can't keep doing these categorization blitzes. This is something more people should know about, so that the process can become more autonomous.

As a result, I want to figure out a more complete category scheme for templates, to be displayed at a prominent place at some point. (A number of templates I've seen don't seem to fit into any existing categories at this point, or would benefit from additional categories.) Interested in starting a discussion about this somewhere? Any thoughts as to where might be an appropriate forum that would gather the most input? (I considered a WikiProject at one point, but some types of projects just tend to gather dust... and this seems to fall into that group.) –Unint 21:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I couldn't agree more that we need a place for a discussion about template categorization and organization. I'm currently out of town for a little while, but I'll think about different options and let you know soon. Keep up the good work. --CapitalR 02:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm in the process of going through all 43,000 templates in English Wikipedia to determine which ones are uncategorized navigational boxes. I'm using a few bots to help (all are offline bots using database dumps). The results are posted at User:CapitalR/Uncategorized navigational boxes if you want to help me categorize them. This is a very slow process, even with bots to help, so the list will grow each day for the next few weeks. Let me know what you think of the list, or if you know a better place to put it than my userspace. --CapitalR 23:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Wow. This could take quite a while. Let's see...
I honestly don't imagine that we'll get a prompt response even if we put this on a supposedly more "public" page (this is after the last WikiProject I was involved in with categorization as a major focus slowly froze over). Or am I being overly pessimistic? In any case, I like to imagine that people who are actually interested in this will be savvy enough to find it by following the Wiki trails.
I believe that every navigational template category should have a "template by article category" as a supercategory, so as to account for the various topical templates that are not navigational (infoboxes, say). As for those, I'm currently trying to think of a good name for a category of article text-generation templates, which as far as I can tell don't have a category at all.
Should we come up with a tree of topics before sorting? (I've been afraid to touch Cat:Navigational templates by region for fear that it'll all fall apart when I discover something else that's regional but not continental or national.) Looking at the first page, I see:
  • Weapons
  • Political figures by nation
  • Hurricanes
  • Military vehicles
  • Sports by event
  • Sports by nationality
  • Highways
  • Literature by author
  • Subjects by fictional universe
  • Television shows
  • Television stations by region
  • Aircraft
  • Airlines
  • Airports
  • The Bible
  • Biochemistry
  • Local features by region
  • Pharmacology
  • Succession templates (These are going to need their own "by article category" categories soon...)
...This list is not going to be finishable right just now.
I have AWB access, but it hasn't been working out for my purposes. For example, I can't seem to get it to generate a list of templates linked to from, say, a WikiProject page; it only caught article space links. So I use Google searches and manual editing, since I've found that I'm more comfortable with opening up multiple tabs in Firefox at once than going through a list one at a time. –Unint 00:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE Source code

Sure, if you send me an email then I can reply to it with the code attached. I will warn you that it is pretty messy, but simple enough to understand probably. Martin 18:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{93}}

Why was that moved? I don't see the point. ---J.S (t|c) 22:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

  • I moved it because the title "93" has to meaning to anyone unfamiliar with Thelema (including me, until I read the article on Thelema and figured out the significance of 93). Since the template was about Thelema and not about just the number 93, the new title of {{Thelema}} just made a lot more sense. Also, it is now similar to other religion and philosophy navigational templates, which are all named after the religion/philosophy itself. Lastly, when searching a category for something related to Thelema, one would expect to look under the heading "T" instead of "9". --CapitalR 23:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Senate templates

Would you mind providing me (at my talk page) a full list of these Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 24#Senate templates that need deletion? Circeus 03:31, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  • They are as follows:
    • {{89th Senate}}
    • {{90th Senate}}
    • {{91st Senate}}
    • {{92nd Senate}}
    • {{93rd Senate}}
    • {{94th Senate}}
    • {{95th Senate}}
    • {{96th Senate}}
    • {{97th Senate}}
    • {{98th Senate}}
    • {{99th Senate}}
    • {{100th Senate}}
    • {{101st Senate}}
    • {{102nd Senate}}
    • {{103rd Senate}}
    • {{104th Senate}}
    • {{105th Senate}}
    • {{106th Senate}}
    • {{107th Senate}}
    • {{108th Senate}}
    • {{109th Senate}}
    • Hope that helped --CapitalR 08:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank, all deleted now. Circeus 12:22, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Capitals

I didn´t know about that - sorry. (I don´t agree with it though.. (laugh)

andreasegde 02:39, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Not a problem, sorry to have to revert those changes. -CapitalR 02:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

Hey CapitalR, great job on the infoboxes, getting them all up and really looking good. I was sort of thinking of tackling that project one of these days but never got around to it. Of course, it would have taken me 10 years since I didn't know about AWB until today. ;) Though it almost feels like cheating to me.. why.. I remember adding the line of Wiki pointing to the MA highlight maps 351 times! I also walked uphill 20 miles in the snow back and forth to school!

Whippersnappers... Petros63 07:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Hey, thanks for the compliment. AWB is a real life saver when it comes to massive edits like that, but even clicking the 351 times for each page takes a long time (I can't imagine doing it by hand). Keep up the good Massachusetts editing. --CapitalR 07:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prod

On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HL Engineering, you make the comment "author keeps removing a prod tag put in by another editor" and the article history shows that you re-added the prod before nominating it for AFD. A prod tag should not be re-added to an article once it has been removed and the author is allowed to remove a prod. Prod is for uncontroversial deletions only. Once the original prod was removed, it should have gone straight to AFD. An article with multiple prod nominations will not be deleted by the closing admin. Please see WP:PROD if you have questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 11:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Ok, thanks for the info. Looks like the article will be deleted due to the afd I put on it. --CapitalR 13:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for feedback on Acton, MA article

I have done some extensive work on this article over the last month and would appreciate feedback on it. I would like this article to be a 'recommended article' for Wikiproject Massachusetts. Please put feedback on the Acton talk page so others can comment, too. Thank-you.

--LWV Roadrunner 12:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Participation in Universal Animation AfD Debate

Need more participation to reach consensus in Universal Animation (AfD). Since you contributed to the article one the New England Anime Society, your comments would be valuable. Echocharlie 15:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tufts University pictures

Unfortunately, while some of the pictures in Tufts University were good ones, many of them had to be removed since they're copyrighted under a non-free license and replaceable (since they're pictures of things that still exist). I noticed you said you're an alumnus, do you think they might be willing to release a few publicity shots under the GFDL? This would really be to their benefit, publicity shots are already intended to be distributed as widely as possible, and in that case they could effectively pick which ones they want for the article. If you're not sure, I can contact them (I've had some success with different organizations in the past), but sometimes an alumnus receives a warmer reception from an alma mater. Seraphimblade Talk to me Please review me! 08:47, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Senators By Seniority

Hey, Thanks for your input om historic senators by senority pages. I'm currently overhauling some of the more ill advised naming conventions I used so implementing your suggestions shouldn't be a problem. It's going to take me a few days however. As for the categories, no problem.. you may have noticed I already strated using the new Category:United States Senate for the overhaul I just did on the 2005/2006 Senate page. Thanks again for your help and suggestions.--Dr who1975 23:38, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Cool sounds good, thanks for the good work. --CapitalR 23:39, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{United States Senate}}

Please see my discussion at Template_talk:United States Senate.—Markles 22:33, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winchester Massachusetts

Did you remove the stuff about Childrens Own School and St. Mary's from the Winchester article? I was one of the ones who put them in late last year. Even though they were not part of the public education system of Winchester, I thought they were important to the life of the town. --Allyn 06:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Those paragraphs on the school were filled with massive POV, and most had little place in an encyclopedia. I've edited it down for you and placed in a more NPOV version. I just standarized all 351 town/city articles in Massachusetts, which included removing blatant POV. Feel free to edit it as you like. --CapitalR 07:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I did those when I was less experienced. I will try to be more NPOV in my future edits. --Allyn 15:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wilmington, MA

Wilmington is not a city. That template is inappropriate for it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zeppelin462 (talk • contribs) 07:38, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Your edits to state templates

Hello, CapitalR. I appreciate your efforts to use AWB to modify all state templates so that they match what you feel should be the standard for state templates. I highly advise you to read Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates, which contains a partial consensus for state template standardization (the #eee striping and usage of "|" rather than "•" was assumed to be part of this consensus; see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Colorado&oldid=110350439 for a good example of what we accomplished). I don't feel that it would be conducive to our efforts if you change the state templates as much as you have up to this point, and I might have to revert your changes as per that consensus. However, I notice that you created and used your new Template:US state navigation box. Perhaps we can begin a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. states/state templates in order to establish what specifically should be in that template. Thanks! ;) — † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 20:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi, I'll be adding in the stripes and converting all bullets to pipes within the day. That should make about 90% of them look exactly as they did before, and the remaining few will now conform to the rest. --CapitalR 20:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for understanding! — † Webdinger BLAH | SZ 20:40, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

{{Wyoming}} looks fine; I kind of understand what you are/were doing now. We can leave it like that. Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 07:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't understand the use of "{{pipe}}", which seems to be a letter in the IPA. Why not simply use "|", or if necessary, {{!}}? Also, I've found that {{nowrap}} works nicely, and is easier for an editor to read than using &nbsp;s. Compare:
  • [[List of Washington initiatives to the legislature|Initiatives&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;Legislature]]&nbsp;{{pipe}} with
  • {{nowrap| [[List of Washington initiatives to the legislature|Initiatives to the Legislature]] }}| or
  • {{nowrap| [[List of Washington initiatives to the legislature|Initiatives to the Legislature]] {{!}}}}
Well, you can't just use a "|" because it is inside a template; the "|" will be interpreted as the beginning of a new parameter. I was actually unfamiliar with the | and {{{1}}} template, so those will probably work perfectly well in this case. Feel free to make any edits you like to the page and implement those templates instead of the ones I chose. And to be honest, I like the third option you listed above (using nowrap and then the !). I'll use those in the future, and I might consider converting all of the state templates to that form in the next day or two. --CapitalR 03:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
  • I just went through and implemented your suggestions on all of the pages. Thanks for the advice. --CapitalR 05:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] [Category:United States Senators by seniority]

Can you please tell User:Metros232 on his discussion page that I ALREADY added a space between the titles and the year. I came to him about one thing and then he decided to chime in on our discussion from last week without even checking to see if I'd fixed it or not.--Dr who1975 06:30, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] State templates

That's a really good idea; sorry--still learning the templates. I'll roll them back myself to save you the trouble, give me 10-30 minutes tops. could you show me after which diffs are for the final changes? really curious to learn that! - Denny 17:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I just use WP:TW for RC patrol, but all that, last night and now, is just firefox tabs (all key strokes, control t for new tabs, etc.) and copy/pasting. tedious, I guess, but I'm pretty fast on the control-c/v/x. :) I got them all rv'd for you, now. - Denny 18:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, thats much more efficient of an edit than my hands-on method. but... it's not taking to the templates? do we have to do something else with it? - Denny 18:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

  • It seems to be working fine on my side. You might need to do a cache-clear refresh to see the updates. Another way to force a refresh is to do an edit on the New York template, and then preview the result; that should force a refresh. Let me know if that doesn't work, and then I'll take a look to see if there's another problem. (I checked all 56 templates that use this master template, and they all seem to be ok to me). --CapitalR 18:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Yep, just cacheing on my end. Thanks for the help, that is way better! :) - Denny 18:42, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] U. S. Area Codes

Per your questions on my user talk page regarding boundaries of area codes such as .SHP files or Tiger/Line data such as released by the Census Bureau, I really don't have it.

There is a provision called "V&H coordinates" which are tables used to designate Central Office Locations and may provide information but I suspect are expensive and might be proprietary. See the description by the Kentucky Public Service Commission on what V&H Coordinates are and how they are used.

The area code maps I've put up are freehand redrawings of ones published by NANPA or Whitepages.com

http://www.whitepages.com/10001/area_zip_codes

Check these links, they sometimes have lists of counties. There are also lists of prefixes floating around some places, and they could be found if you try googling on "Area code map" (which gets about 400,000 hits) or "Area code boundary" (which gets about 980 hits), and 20,700 for "V&H coordinates".

See these examples

Verizon Area code Map Verizon Area code lookup Qwest area code lookup Anywho from AT&T

Hope this helps. Paul Robinson (Rfc1394) 04:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info on the area codes. I was able to use databases from individual state websites to find a mapping from city/town name to area code. I wasn't able to find a shapefile for the area codes or ZIP codes, which was too bad, but I'm considering filing a FOIA request to the Postal Service to try to get my hands on one. Thanks again, --CapitalR 07:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FYI new parameter names

Please see Template:Infobox_City/Test, you'll have to hit the edit tab to see the field names. It has yet to placed into the live template. —MJCdetroit 02:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool, sounds good to me. --CapitalR 02:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Here's a Table under constuction explaining the fields. The names still need to be tweaked; there's still some mistakes in the code to fix. —MJCdetroit 03:30, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you still planning on getting a bot to in put your data from your database? If possible it would be nice to lump the parameter name changes in with your changes. That is, if your bot was going to be visiting existing infobox city pages. What do you think? —MJCdetroit 16:38, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Yup, the bot is being designed right now. It's proving a little hard to get a mapping from census database place names to Wikipedia article names (I've spent the last few days working hard to get as many correctly mapped as possible, though it will still take a while longer). Also, I'm moving from California to the East Coast this weekend and starting a new job, so I'll have some delays. But yeah, I'll definitely be updating all of the parameters with my bot when it happens. Expect action in about 2 weeks time (maybe a little more depending on how long it takes me to finish mapping the article names). Let me know if there's other things you want done by the bot. --CapitalR 17:33, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Actually there is, when Rambot first placed some of the census data into the articles, it was it the following format:
According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 146.7 km² (56.6 mi²). 144.5 km² (55.8 mi²) of it is land and 2.2 km² (0.9 mi²) of it (1.55%) is water.
This wording is, is just bad. Can the bot change the sentence to be more MOS friendly and grammatically correct? Something like (with non-breaking spaces):
According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 56.6 square miles (146.7 km²), of which, 55.8 square miles (144.5 km²) of it is land and 0.9 square miles (2.2 km²) or 1.55 percent of it is water.
There also a similar sentence in the Demographics section that could use some MOSNUMin' but at least it isn't grammatically incorrect. I don't know much about bots, but if it can do it, then it would be worth doing all at once.—MJCdetroit 20:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll look into it over the next few days. I'll probably be able to make those changes with a few simple regex find and replace strings, but it won't work on articles where people have edited those lines. However, based on my looking through hundreds of city/town articles over the past few weeks, most of these sections are untouched, so most should convert without any problem. For the articles where it can't automatically make that change, I'll just log them so we can go back later and fix them by hand (or fix them using more complex regex expressions with AWB). --CapitalR 22:02, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
By the way, the bot is just a plugin for AWB, so after it's mostly done I'll send it to you if you want so you verify that it works properly and so you can suggest changes/additional features. I'll keep you posted. --CapitalR 04:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I've used AWB before. MJCdetroit 14:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
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