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Bravo! Or should I say - SHAZAM! Modemac

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[edit] Captain Marvel's Hussar Inspired Attire

Something to note perhaps?

Compare: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d4/Captainmarvel.JPG Captain Marvel

http://www.thm.dk/rusgalla/pics/RU005-bs.jpg (Zarens Lifeguards*hussar*regiment. Officer, gallauniform. 1860-1917.)

[edit] Billy Batson's age.

Billy is now 16 or 17 years old.Thethunderstrike04 01:18, 28 September 2005 (UTC) Billy's official DCU age is currently fourteen, according to the most recent re-interpretation of the character in The Power of Shazam! series. --FuriousFreddy 01:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

OK... though still, sure he must've been presented as being a bit younger than that in prior stories (the original Fawcett Comics era, the 70's revival). Anthony Dean 14:45, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Fawcett/1970s Billy, I'd peg at about twelve. He was ten in the Power of Shazam! graphic novel (the series takes place four years after hte graphic novel). I think he might be up to sixteen by now in the JSA series. Can we label him as an "adolescent", instead of just a youth (or at least slide a fair use picture of him into the article)? --FuriousFreddy 15:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I still prefer "youth", since it'd cover both his appearing as grade-school aged (in earlier incarnations; he didn't look older than 10 or 12 in the Fawcett stories I'd read to me), and as a teenager (in current incarnations). Though a picture of Billy in some incarnation would be nice as well... Anthony Dean 20:32, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] That sounds logical

"Holy Moley!" isn't Cap/Billy's only catchphrase, although it certainly stands out more than his second-favorite expresssion. For some reason, the phrase "that sounds logical" serves as a running gag in Captain Marvel stories. Perhaps it is an indication of Billy's (and Cap's) naivite that so many ludicrous bits of exposition are greeted with this phrase, but more likely it is an ironic wink at the necessary shortcuts that fantasy storytelling involves.

[edit] re: Shazam! the Movie

The Rock playing Capt Marvel was mere speculation and internet rumor... no offer was ever made to him, nor were any negotiations begun. Also, I never heard any news that Stephen Sommers was signed to write and direct the movie. Where exactly did you get that info ?

IMDB.com lists Summers as director. Now that I see that the info on the Rock was indeed unfounded, I am removing it. --FuriousFreddy 16:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] My Cast Wish List for the SHAZAM movie.

Omar Sharif as Shazam. James Caviezel as Captain Marvel. Devon Werkheiser as Billy Batson. Joe Pesci as Dr Sivana. Oded Fehr as Black Adam. either Stacy Keibler or Marne Patterson as Beautia. Micky Dolenz as Uncle Dudley. Spencer Locke (Disney Channel star) as Mary Bromfield Batson. Ben Keough (Elvis' grandson) as Freddy Freeman. Dan Aykroyd as Sterling Morris. Tom Selleck as Nick Bromfield. Mary Crosby as Nora Bromfield. Tony Curtis as Freddy's grandfather.

I would like to see either Chris Columbus, Peter Jackson, Mel Gibson, Sandy Collora, or perhaps even Robert Rodriguez sign up to direct the movie. Paul Dini should be brought on to rewrite William Goldman's original draft of the script, and I hope Brian Setzer is hired to compose the score, and includes several Elvis Presley songs on the soundtrack. Alex Ross should be the film's costume & production designer.

Raphael Samson, 16 Oct 05 10:10 AM

[edit] Captain Marvel is Gone For Now

Please don't change it back to active. --Veemonkamiya 16:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Captain Marvel is not going die.

(1)I got post from Captain Marvel Fan in DC message boards, here person had to say: Just got back from Baltimore Con and attended all DCU panels about Crisis. Also talked with Top DC official on floor that (hopefully was telling the truth) That Cap will not die in crisis and that DC is making a concerted effort to show the differences between Cap and Superman, rather than the things they have in common. Cap will attend to magical matters where as Supes deals with Sci/Fi type stuff. He went on to say things may change, but the Marvel legacy has big things ahead in DC. I accused DC of not knowing how to use Cap and that DC was maybe useing crisis as a way of getting rid of the problem. He laughed and assured me the Marvel mythology has a rich history and DC embraces it and wants to build on it. Now my request from all of the fans out there....If Cap or Jr. or Mary or ANY Marvel Family gets a book...WE MUST SUPPORT IT!!!!!!! I am looking forward to Captain Marvel's role in the DCU. But if we do not support him...well you know what will happen....

(2)In JLA # 120 sale on OCTOBER 12TH Captain Marvel show up in JLA # 120 cover.

Written by Greg Rucka; Art by Steve Lieber; Cover by Sean Phillips

A DAY OF VENGEANCE tie-in guest-starring Captain Marvel with art by Steve Lieber (Whiteout)! When a catastrophic cosmic event occurs over Gotham, the detectives discover just what being in over their heads really means! For Crispus Allen, it means trying to find his family! On Sale November 9, 2005.

(3) Wizard magazine say DC had big plans Captain Marvel for next year. that mean, DC will not kills off Captain Marvel.

I am suggest to change back to active Thethunderstrike04 21:41, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. What's the point of listing Marvel as inactive for all of a few weeks before he turns up once again in comics? --FuriousFreddy 01:49, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

For acccuracy. Suppose the plot changes or something. --Veemonkamiya 03:19, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Seeing as how they've already had the comics drawn up since the late-spring, and they're probably already printed, I sincerely doubt that's going to happen. --FuriousFreddy 04:29, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Fan sites

ok, I didn't know, thanks.Thethunderstrike04 18:19, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] First superhero to be adapted into film?

I am no specialist in comic characters, so please forgive me if I am wrong, but I would like the author(s) of this excelent article (or whoever happens to have deep knowledge of it) if the claim that "Captain Marvel was also the first superhero to be adapted into film in 1941 (The Adventures of Captain Marvel)" is in fact accurate. As far as my humble knowledge on the matter goes, Flash Gordon was adapted to film in the serials Flash Gordon (1936), Flash Gordon's Trip to Mars (1938), and Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe (1940), all of which precede the adaptation of Captain Marvel. Any thoughts on this? Phaedriel 10:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

  • Captian Marvel survived litigation to doom him, Flash Gordon didn't do that. 207.172.134.175 02:59, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
  • For some reason, Flash Gordon isn't considered a superhero; he's considered a science-fiction hero. Buck Rogers adn Popeye are two more heroes who, despite being superhero-like, aren't considered superheroes. --65.112.154.91 16:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
    • Thanks for this explanation; it makes sense to me. Phaedriel 12:17, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Capt. Marvel vs. Superman, outside the courtroom

It would seem that the makers of Superman media had a sense of humor about this. I had occasion to listen to recent broadcasts of some of the radio Adventures of Superman from the early 1940s, and one serial arc included as a villain a ship captain with a name sounding similar or identical to "Marvel" -- a "Captain Marvel" or "Captain Marbeau" or some such. - robgood@bestweb.net, 12/22/05

[edit] The cape

The costume also included a white collared cape trimmed with gold fleur-de-lis symbols, usually asymmetrically thrown over the left shoulder and held around his neck by a gold cord. The cape came from the ceremonial cape worn by the British nobility, photographs of which appeared in newspapers in the 1930s.

This style of cape was popular among elite military units throughout Europe from the late 16th Century through the mid 19th. To say that "The cape came from the ceremonial cape worn by the British nobility...which appeared in newspapers in the 1930s" is inaccurate. Adaptations of Dumas' The Three Musketeers and its sequels typically show the characters wearing such capes. Adaptations of Anthony Hope's The Prisoner of Zenda and its parodies, set in Central Europe in the 19th Century, also feature characters wearing a cape of this style. These cinematic uses are historically accurate. The mid 19th Century-early 20th Century version of the cape resembled an extra jacket tossed over the shoulder and held in place by a chain, and resembles the Marvel cape less than the Three Musketeers version does. To suggest that Beck cribbed the design from newspaper photographs -- when popular film adaptations of the above-mentioned novels were released less than five years before the creation of Captain Marvel -- is unlikely, or at least less likely than that he saw the capes in popular films of the day and thought they presented a dashing military appearance. Beck's addition of fleur-de-lis -- a symbol of the French monarchy -- tends to support this. If the writer of the cape statement has citations to corroborate his version, he really needs to include his sources. Canonblack 12:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Hello. What a pity I didn't make a photocopy of the picture I found in a reprint from some British magazine (I'm writing from America) long before Wikipedia was in existence. When I saw it, it was unmistakeable. Somebody added "fleur-de-lys" to the description - they aren't, they're filled in circles with four leaves in both the original picture and the Big Red Cheese. What caught my attention in both cases was that even though it had a flap on top, like a small cape, it isn't a cape full-across-the-shoulders, as the Three Musketeers have. And it isn't a "jacket"; that's what the hussars wear.

[edit] some vandalism got through

someone who knows their stuff check the edits to almost all mentions of different years done by 07:06, 22 December 2005 64.164.124.186 in the page history. Some of these edits seem false and contradict other wikipedia articles such as the year of the shazam TV series and movie. Just bringing this to people's attention.

71.131.37.89 13:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I totally agree. --207.105.216.130 14:20, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Has no one noticed that the thumbnail on the front page has been replaced by Orko from He-Man? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d4/Captainmarvel.JPG/100px-Captainmarvel.JPG - Seinfreak37 16:15, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Comments about vandalism in progress are almost useless as they're reverted almost as soon as they're made; such things are common for featured articles. Please be assured that all editors and administrators on Wikipedia are keeping such vandalism to a minimum, as much as humanly possible. Thank you, — The Hooded Man ♃♂ 22:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I can't figure out what was going on, but the vandalism was fast and furious enough that I put the maximum protection on this page for the time being. I'll now try to figure out what the heck is up; please leave notes here or on my talk page with suggestions. -- SCZenz 22:23, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Page is now unprotected, and the attack doesn't seem to have resumed. -- SCZenz 22:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Alex Ross' image is fine. It is a great illustration of the character and represents it well. It was there before licensing and sourcing problems - which I've fixed - and it is back now. No reason at all for a new image. —Lesfer (talk/@) 03:43, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, you know that I've expressed my concern about using this image. It does still need a Fair use rationale. Jkelly 03:45, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so once you are an admin, would you please do me a favor (as I'm the uploader)? Just delete it. Do not tag, just delete it. Thanks. —Lesfer (talk/@) 03:52, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't know what you mean by "once you are an admin". I could delete the image, and will if you really want me to, but is this request out of frustration or because you are concerned about copyright issues? Jkelly 03:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
"Once you are an admin" means that I think only admins can delete images or articles. Am I wrong? And since I'm the uploader, I think I can avoid all that bureaucracy of tagging it and waiting seven days by just asking to delete it. Or am I also wrong? —Lesfer (talk/@) 03:59, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
You're right about both those things. I guess that you meant "since you are an admin". My question still stands. Is this just out of frustration? There's no urgency in deleting the image, and I'd rather have a conversation about this than to have you feeling put out. Jkelly 04:04, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Yep, "since". Sorry for my bad english. And I'm asking to delete it because is a useless image. If it's not deleted now, eventually it will be. So delete it, tag it, whatever. It's really fine by me. It's just too much for nothing. Anyway, thanks for your help. —Lesfer (talk/@) 04:12, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Not sure I understand why the Alex Ross images is gone. It was much more iconic and illustrative than the other one, which is just a panel from a comicbook. Can someone please explain the argument here? --Chris Griswold 15:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
That it's "a panel from a comic book" is the point - it's still a clear and unobstructed image with only CM in-panel, but it's also more in-line with how he's always been presented than the Ross image. - SoM 22:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

The Porter image is in line with his current appearance in the comic, but I suspect it's going to be about as long-lived as the electric Superman. I'm therefore unsure it's appropriate as the primary illustration of the character; IMO, we should stick with some form of the classic red costume for an encyclopedia entry. JackofSpades 18:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The best place for that picture is in the Trials of Shazam section. The main image should reflect the Cap that everyone is familiar with. - Lex 00:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classic vs. New Version

I don't want to see this turn into an edit war, so I'm bringing my concerns to the talk page. I see Lesfer reverted my image change back to the look Billy is sporting in Trials of Shazam!. I would rather see a more classic look for the main image and show the new look in the body of the article. I guess it depends on what we all want this article to be. I want it to reflect the classic Captain Marvel and discuss the history of the character (which the history section does very well) while still referencing what is currently going on with him. I also think that keeping this article focused on the classic Cap will keep its FA status. We should have a discussion about what we want this article to be. Would it be possible to split the current stuff to Marvel (DC Comics)? Just an idea. - Lex 21:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The WP:CMC guidelines say, "It is felt that using the most universally recognisable appearance of a character, for example Spider-Man in the red and blue rather than some other costume ... fits this purpose best." --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 22:16, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
So it should be the red suit? I would tend to agree. The new white one could hardly be called "most universally recognisable". CovenantD 22:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I understand Superlex and I agree with him as we are talking about an iconic character.
However I feel this guideline needs to be discussed. "Most universally recognisable appearance" doesn't fit some current images, for instance Mary Marvel, Robin (Tim Drake) or Martian Manhunter. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 04:41, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Solution: the cover of Trials of Shazam! #1 shows Capt. Marvel in both outfits (literally transforming from one to the other). It seems the logical choice. I personally would have preferred a C.C. Beck depiction of Captain Marvel (and Billy Batson), like the one originally used for the article. As for the article itself, it should treat Trials of Shazam! as the experiment it is (DC is not even yet sure if the new versions of the characters will work out, and nothing is ever permanent in a comic book), and not disreguard 66 years of previous work. Continue to call the character "Captain Marvel" unless specifically referring to Trials of Shazam! If the new version of "Marvel" does indeed catch on (and sees a significant amount of additional publication), I'd suggest an article split. --70.119.147.160 18:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

No, no, it only makes it confusing. Red costume mixed with white one and there's also a yellow glow... nothing logical about it. Let's keep it one or another. The classic costume is really the best one to be kept. Plus, this confusing image does not fit WP:CMC guideline. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 16:24, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I really like the current image. It shows the classic costume drawn by the current artist. For me, it's a good compromise. I may revisit this debate when Jeff Smith's Shazam! mini comes out, but for now it's a great image. - Lex 04:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alex Ross' cartoon

Should the article mention Alex Ross and Paul Dini's failed attempt to create a Shazam! cartoon in 2000 and 2003? [1]

The character designs are pretty cute. [[2]] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.79.10.134 (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Jeff's Smith's retcon?

anyone got the link where it says (as in this article) that Jeff Smith's Captain Marvel story is now his official origin? thanks. --EXV // + @ 03:51, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

"...the creator is returning Captain Marvel to his roots with an out-of-continuity story that updates the character's history for today's audience..."
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--EXV // + @ 04:06, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The story is being told out of linear continuity, but Smith apparently has a clause in his contract which states that this story is the character's new official origin. (Warmoth, Brian. "The Strategum of Smith". Wizard magazine. Retrieved March 4, 2007. Excerpt: "The Monster Society of Evil goes back to Batson’s early years, and Smith has ensured the book won’t be labeled an alternate history or imaginary tale. 'When I was asked to do it, I was asked to relaunch Captain Marvel, and I have a clause in my contract saying that this is continuity,' Smith states. 'This is continuity. This is not an All-Star version.'") -- FuriousFreddy (talk • contribs) 00:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Weaknesses?

Doesn't Captain Marvel have any specific weaknesses? Aside from the fact that when not transformed, he is of ordinary human strength? Also, if he tries to hit his enemy with the lightning bolt but accidentally hits himself, does that change him back from Captain Marvel into Billy Bateson? --80.47.107.70 21:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

No, true, and Yes (and it's Batson.) ThuranX 04:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The closest thing Captain Marvel has to kryptonite is being gagged. This was a repeated plot device in the old Fawcett comics. If Billy can't say Shazam, he can't transform.MightyAtom 01:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Change & Update

I think we should separate the sections for the other minis for Billy and also have a 52 section for all that he has done in 52 and what he has done in Trials. Also separate Monster Society of Evil as a whole by himself. Also Billy's powers should be upgraded with his Magic powers. RyuKlinge 07:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

All that's covered already in character history. We don't do issue by issue summaries. that his powers are magic based is noted already. ThuranX 01:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The First Costumed Hero Named "Captain"?

Is Captain Marvel/Thunder the first "Captain"? I know he predate Captain America by several months but is there some obscure "Captain X" out there somewhere? Jackbox1971 23:35, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Does it really matter? It would be a ridiculous WP:AVTRIV situation to add it to the article. ThuranX 01:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
A moot point, as the "captain" tag was used by earlier characters, such as Captain Midnight, Captain Future, and probably others that have faded to obscurity. MightyAtom 01:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
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