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[edit] Death

Shouldn't someone write something in here about his death?

Yes. For example, he'll be back soon, Steve Rogers cannot be dead for too long.


i wrote about it the day they "killed him" on March 7th. but apparently someone reverted it back to its original state. --Mclover08 17:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the death is described in two sections in the entry: the Publication History, and the Character Biography.--Galliaz 20:44, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Massive Reference Section Revision

I am going to do the hard work of reformatting the references using the: ==References== <div class="references-small"> <references/> </div> & <ref name="refnamegoeshere">{{cite web| url=http://www.urlgoeshere.com|title=titlegoeshere}}</ref> format. I hope nobody has problems with that. I am going to fix the Bibliography section and turn that into references, and the references into external links. I'll have to take a closer look. Anyone have comments or wants to help? (Bjorn Tipling 20:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

Okay I am about to begin. I will save once per edit so it wont interfere with what other editors are doing, or as little as possible. If it ends up looking bad, we can always revert, but at least we'll have something to compare it too. This will go a long way to getting this article into featured status I hope. For more info check out WP:Footnotes. Also I am adding a template message saying major revisions are being done. (Bjorn Tipling 21:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC))


afraid to edit the page while you're working on it, but in regards to your question about:

Current revision (22:21, 9 August 2006) (edit) Btipling (Talk | contribs) (→2000s - ref for ca 1 2002 - different comic?)

It's Cap Vol 4, issue 1 for nick fury recruiting cap. cap reveals he's steve rogers in issue 3. the prologue of issue 7 refers to him moving to Red Hook. Impulse 22:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I'll edit that now. I am going to take a break before I tackle alternate captain americas, because that's going to be a lot of work. I'll take the massive edit tag down while I rest.(Bjorn Tipling 22:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC))
While you're resting i'll see if i can supply any missing dates from my cap collection, i see some issues i have Impulse 22:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

You're quite right about those New X-men links being off, Khaosworks, but the origin story refers to the 1940s version (vita-rays were a retcon), so someone can link a more relevant origin referance if they find one before me, i've got to take off shortly Impulse 01:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It's probably either from the Tales of Suspense origin or the John Byrne retelling in the 1980s. I'll check those references up when I get home. -khaosworks (talk • contribs) 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the Adventures of Cap'n A for now, i skimmed through it and it was a pretty modern origin retelling, but if you see any ToS issues that are better and earlier fits, by all means! =D Impulse 03:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Okay I am ready to get started again, I'll just work on the alternate captain americas section, and not put one of those tags up again for the whole article. I don't really see many references for the TV sections and what goes after it. Thanks for all your help impulse, those dates look great, and yeah that was supposed to be civil war 1-7 not 77. Thank you also Khaosworks. I better get busy. (Bjorn Tipling 03:27, 10 August 2006 (UTC))
Btipling, let me be the first to say you've done an excellent (and lengthy!) job formatting the article too, before today I hadn't a firm idea on how to do citations, but all those referance links really make the article come together. Impulse 03:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Hey no problem, I enjoy doing it. I appreciate your help. I wasn't sure people would like the changes, I am glad you do though. I really have a desire to see this article attain featured status. It probably has a way to go, but you guys have been doing great work on this article, I am just formatting it. I don't really have the specific knowledge of the character, I have just always liked it though. (Bjorn Tipling 03:46, 10 August 2006 (UTC))
Also I wasn't sure I could use a self closing tag for second instances of references, or if that was smart if an earlier instance of a reference is later removed, but it did feel like duplication. (Bjorn Tipling 03:30, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

Okay I think I am done. I don't see too many more places where there are clear references. I think it might be possible to make that references section two columns, and if you like I think we can decrease the size of the bibliography section to make it look more like the references section. (Bjorn Tipling 04:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

looks very sharp, i look forward to tighting up specific referances in the days to come. I was just looking at how Batman was a feature article the other day and thinking "hmmm, if that pointy eared guy is a FA, Cap should be an FA" =D Impulse 05:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Exactly, we can still beat Spiderman, but wait a second, that article could use some reference section cleaning. I might have to jump in on that when I have some more time. (Bjorn Tipling 05:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC))
Spidey is a lot more disorganized, but I suppose they are trying to work in a lot more storylines. 4-5 ongoing series will do that, cap's history is relatively uncluttered next to him. I wouldn't mind seeing the Webhead get FA either though! Maybe we could propose CA as the collabration of the month, might speed along the process Impulse 05:28, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Size

I notice the size of the article is about 23kb higher than suggested, ideas how how to shorten it? Maybe make Cap in other media a sub-article, as unlike other comic characters, Cap has always been more well known on the printed page than in movies. other opinions? Impulse 05:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that's more of a recommendation, but I am not sure. I noticed that a few FA are pretty big, but I guess the ideal is to have it shorter. Changing passive voice sentences to active voice generally gets rid of a lot of extra words. It can probably be tightened up a bit more. (Bjorn Tipling 05:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC))


[edit] Change to televison sections

An unregistered user changed the televison section to say the cap of the series was the son of the 1940's cap. I'm not familar with it myself, but I just wanted to check that this was accurate. Anyone know? In the first film, the new Captain America was the son of the original Captain America. In the second one, he was the original Captain America, released from his ice prison. Impulse 02:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA Failing

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  • Refs should be laid as such -
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  • Other issues
    • There are no references from Novels to the end of the article
    • All game and comic names should be italicized.
    • "Appearances in other media" is somewhat under referenced.
    • As is "Alternate Captains America".
  • Not a failable issue, now, but the article seems to have not enough third party neutral references, mainly since nearly all of the references are either comics or Marvel.com. It's not something I will fail it purely on, but people will bring it up at FAC. Just to warn you.
  • The content overall, is good, but there are some stylistic errors, and some referencing issues in the later half of the article. Work on the points, then re-apply. Hppy editing, Highway Daytrippers 09:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay will work on it, thanks. (Bjorn Tipling 06:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Irish people?

Can we have a cite for Cap's Irish ancestry? --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 02:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing, please add

  • Publication history from November 1964-present
  • Character biography - very good, but probably needs at least one issue number every paragraph, serving as a cite, and some info belongs in Pub. history rather than character biography

[edit] nerdy

hasnt the capt. america picture been on this site for 3 years now.... i guess it is hard to get copyrighted material —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.12.117.5 (talk • contribs).

[edit] What about the golden age Cap?

Having had almost all of the original Timely comics, I was willing to fill it in, there being NOTHING about the golden age Timely appearances of Captain America or his REAL history in the 1940's (instead of all the stuff invented about him from the 1960's onwards.) I had done one piece and was ready to do more but noticed that my earlier information has been deleted. Obviously wiki has no interest in the golden age so it'll have to remain Captain America from 1960's onwards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.12.141.234 (talk • contribs).

[edit] Ultimate Cap weight debate

OK, three different editors presumably looking at the same comic are somehow reading (and writing) two different things. Can a couple of other editors pick up this issue and see what's going on? Is it:

1.(he was shown bench pressing 545 lb in Ultimates 2 #4)
or
2.(he was shown bicep curling 545 lb in Ultimates 2 #4)
or
3.(he was shown bench pressing 1245 lb in Ultimates 2 #4)

--Tenebrae 00:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligence

My understanding of the supersoldier formula was that it evolved Cap's abilites to peak human condition. Does that also include his intelligence, as well? Captain America is often referred to as one of the greatest tacticians in the Marvel Universe, this article cites due to his training, but have there been any references to a change in his mental prowess due to the serum? The Protocide artice cites Rogers having his intelligence increased by the serum, I was wondering if there is any written material to back that claim.

66.109.248.114 23:48, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Captain America Comics #1 (March 1941):

"Observe this young man closely...today he volunteered for military service, and was refused because of his unfit condition! His chance to serve his country seemed gone! Little does he realize that the serum coursing through his blood is rapidly building his body and brain tissues, until his stature and intelligience increase to an amazing degree!"

"Behold! The crowning achievement of all my years of hard work! The first of a corps of super agents whose mental and physical ability will make them a terror to spies and saboteurs!"

(The second statement was reiterated in Captain America vol. 1 #176 [August 1974])

Young Men #24 (December 1953):

"There! It is done! Now, we must wait for the reaction... the serum is coursing through your veins right now! It is building body and brain tissues... increasing your stature and intelligience to a supernormal degree!"

Captain America vol. 1 #109 (January 1969):

"He (Cap) personifies the ideal of -- mens sana in corpore sano -- a sound mind -- in a sound body!"

- Marikina

[edit] End of civil war

Reverted the vandalism, as per the notice on the civil war talk page Cactusrob 20:53, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nomad, The Captain, "Expatriate"

Something that I feel is sorely missing is better coverage of Roger's alternate identities (Englehart's Nomad, Gruenwald's The Captain and Waid's Expatriate - I am not sure about this last one). The Captain is a significative concept that somehow managed to avoid adequate description so far. Nomad is better, but it still deserves some improvement. And to the best of my knowledge there is no reference to Waid's concept at all. BTW, the current version of the article makes it look like Jack Monroe got better and took over the Nomad identity about eight years earlier than the actually did... Luis Dantas 21:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jack Flag

I realize he has his own page, but can we get anything about Jack Flag on Cap's page? Could we also consider a list of Cap's sidekick's? Not that Cap's page needs to be added onto or anything. I also went onto Bucky's article, and it had two things involving him and 'sidekickiness'. Would one more thing hurt it? (The two things involving Bucky and 'sidekickiness' were a list of sidekicks, and a category saying, 'Fictional Sidekicks'.) So, just a thought. IronMan54 16:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Did he die?

From what I have seen in recent new articles, Captain America died in the latest issue of the comic books. Can someone confirm this?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.62.28.62 (talk • contribs).

It's nothing -- lead characters "die" all the time in comics. Remember "Superman's deathy"? Cap's been "shot and killed" at least once before -- there was even a memorial service with casket in Jack Kirby's classic #112 (April 1969). Companies don't throw away corporate assets. --Tenebrae 16:50, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Confirmation at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17499797/ (RossF18 18:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] CAP IS NOT DEAD

Please. This is a standard publicity stunt, just like "Superman's death" and the "deaths" of Reed Richards, Nick Fury, etc., all of which were stretched out several months. Cap himself even "died" before (see immediately above).

We cannot report his "death" as an encyclopedic fact. We can't even say Sharon Carter shot him -- her memory might be real or it might be implanted.

We don't even know that it's really Captain America who's been shot. Nick Fury is involved, so this might very well be a Life Model Decoy.

Before putting something into an encyclopedia, which people look to for incontrovertible fact, let's wait and see what significance this may have other than as a typical plot twist. --Tenebrae 17:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

He's not dead. When he lost faith previously with his country he donned new costumes such as Nomad, or The Captain. I would speculate that he will be the new Ronin character, since technically he is now a samuraii (soldier) without a master (USA). Jamal7322002 17:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Cap's death is sufficiently believed in http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17499797/ the story. Editor in Chief confirmed it and the original writer was very displeased. While Cap may be resurected, not saying that he was shot or killed is like leaving out the resurrecting part out of Jean Gray's article. (RossF18 18:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC))
The issue in which he dies is reportedly on the stands today. We have confirmation from several news sites: http://www.wsmv.com/entertainment/11192918/detail.html http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=2930749 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/03/07/state/n103706S66.DTL We even have reporting from the Editor in Chief of Marvel, saying that he's dead. We should report it, and leave the current event tag up. To0n 19:08, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps though, due to the nature of Comic book death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book_death) we should mention that the story is ongoing, and that the death may not be final (with a link to the article I provided). 64.218.89.101 19:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course he won't stay dead. But we cannot state in the article that his death may not be final. That's speculative. Report the facts and let them speak for themselves. Leave the readers to make their own inferences. Doczilla 12:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Methinks that Cap is like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail AndreasKQ 15:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Maybe there should be a link to the comic book death article while saying that for the moment at least he is definitely meant to be dead 80.47.8.246 17:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
No. We don't know what is meant. Don't link it to the comic book death article because that's about characters who die and come back. He hasn't come back from this death. Heck, he only died yesterday. Doczilla 18:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure that "on a personal note" should be included on a wikipedia article, so I am going to remove it. If you think I am mistaken. Please comment here and explain why. Well, nevermind someone got it.Stetsonblade 21:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

If you notice when marvel talks about captain america's death they say "Yes,Captain America,Steve Rogers,is dead" Notice the fact that they specify that it is steve rogers.Meaning there could be a new Cap on the block.I think we should add this to the article.Why did someone take out the quote anyways. Parralax 23:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

We're making this a lot more complicated than it has to be. Marvel Comics says that Captain America is dead so, until they say otherwise, the guy's dead. Its Marvel's official position on the matter, so what's the problem? When and if more info is given concerning this from Marvel and/or in various comic book issues in the coming weeks and months, then the article can be adjusted appropriately.Odin's Beard 00:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This is where keeping the Publication info and the fictional bio becomes especially important. Any comments by Marvel Comics employees belong in the former; what is known from the stories themselves belongs in the bio. CovenantD 02:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
That sounds like a real good way to do it. For Publication info, it is a verifiable fact that Marvel has claimed, in press materials, that the company has killed "Captain America, Steve Rogers."
I believe the fictional bio, however, needs to specify that someone or something that appeared to be the Steve Rogers Captain America was shot (and was he formally pronounced dead?). That it's an LMD or a clone or some other impostor is a distinct enough possibility, historically, that it may not be Steve Rogers. --Tenebrae 03:37, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't know, it makes it sound like that Marvel has killed him off but then again they haven't. Stating that he's dead in the publication info and hinting that he might not be dead in the fictional bio section is conflicting. Also, coming up with a scenario to explain why he may not be dead is pure speculation at this point. Marvel has stated that Captain America is dead. They can always revive the character whenever they please but, for the time being, if Marvel says he's dead, then the article should reflect that and not two conflicting statements. Odin's Beard 04:06, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
This is a tough one, all right. Even today's NY Times is saying (paraphrase), "Marvel says it has killed off Captain America, but he's not really dead and they're going to bring him back." Oy, why can't the dead stay dead?! :-) --Tenebrae 04:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
I just took a line-edit pass and the Pub hist section, with details in edit summary. Didn't change any facts or footnotes, just made the writing a little more formal and less magazine-y. What does everyone think? --Tenebrae 04:32, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
The comics has been out for less than 48 hours, so I think it's a little too soon to be treating it like old news. Neither do I think putting it in it's own section with a spoiler in the header is a good idea. It seems to place too much emphasis on a very recent events. CovenantD 05:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Kudos to my colleagues! Just want to say, the way the article is right now (at least at this particular moment!) seems pretty good: States things in a straightforward fashion while taking the particular conventions of comic-book deaths into account. I'm feeling pretty proud of all the Comics Project members' work to make it it read this well -- at least, as I said, at this particular moment! --Tenebrae 00:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Not Really Sure how Editing the Wiki goes...but I adde something new to the death section cna someone modify it and make it look better?

[edit] 1602 Cap

The 1602 Cap (Rojhaz) didn't suffer from amnesia. He got dropped into the New World before the Europeans arrived and lived with the Native Americans because he didn't have another choice. When the Roanoke colony was founded, he chose to keep his identity as a Native American in order to protect Virginia Dare while not revealing himself as a time traveler or directly interfering with the molding of the country. He was quite aware of what had happened and what he was doing when he was confronted by Clea Strange on the deck of the Virginia Maid. Dyinath 20:53, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] picture in the spoiler section

seeing as that whole business is flagged as a spoiler, would it not be prudent to leave it without a spoiling image complete with spoiling caption? either that or just not have spoiler tags at all seeing as the news is all over everywhere anyone with eyes can see...80.47.8.246 17:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

er yeah, and if it's still in spoiler tags, isn't it even stupider to call it 'the assassination of steve rogers'?80.41.34.174 17:58, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plagiarism

I was disappointed to read this page right after reading a story on ABC news and recognize whole sentences lifted directly. Article is here: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2934283&page=1

And at the very least, this entire bit is lifted: "was gunned down by an assassin in "Captain America Vol. 5, No. 25." The "Sentinel of Liberty" was perhaps at his lowest point — he had become an outlaw while fighting and ultimately losing a war against his fellow superheroes to protect the civil liberties of all Americans. At the time of his death, he was facing a life sentence in prison."

There's perhaps more, but I'll leave it to the Wikipedia-addicts to find. Still, I thought it was important to mention.

The plagerized passages have been removed. CovenantD 22:36, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reaction to Death

With several news outlets responding to the "death" of Captian America, I think there should be a section dedicated to the mainstream media's reaction to this event. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.246.173.235 (talk) 23:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC).

That's not a bad idea. Maybe a smattering of quotes, like in the "Reception" section of movies (e.g., X-Men: The Last Stand#Reception. --Tenebrae 00:31, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Caps powers

The article says that captain America has no powers but is at peak physical condition, which is currently true but he originally had powers namely super strength it was not until the nineties ( I think) that he lost his superhuman abilities. The series avengers forever is the most recent mention of it I can think off. 63.3.21.1 03:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America

A head's up. An article I created. Do with it what you wish. WikiNew 17:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikinews

Captain America's death is current, on going event. An encylopedia should report it dubiously, and leave wikinews to it. Mathiastck 19:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but... it's not a real world event, it's a comic. Some version of the same problem, although usually without the media coverage, applies to many of Wikipedia's articles about ongoing comics and their characters. I'm sure that the same issue applies to many TV articles - especially anything dealing with current soap operas. Although we can't comment on the outcome, Captain America #25 has been published and isn't an ongoing event - I think we can certainly comment on that, on Marvel's statements regarding that, on the media coverage it's attracted and (with suitable caveats) on Marvel's announcements about what happens next. --Mrph 20:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
More to the point, we update real world people's bios when they croak, and tag them appropriately to reflect that it's a fluid situation. The media has been all over this (as you can see by my post at the bottom of this page). At the very least, the media's reaction should be documented. Jeffpw 08:27, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for reversion

I've reverted the "grammar and clarity" edits (which actually went a lot further than that) since saying that something "appears" to contract something else is an interpretation, and Marvel's statement that Ms. Marvel's comment "isn't exactly what it seems" (my emphasis) conversely says its partly what it seems. I think it might be better to just report the indisputable fact, that "dialogue between two characters in another Marvel comic released the same day...indicated that Captain America was still alive."

Ms. Marvel didn't seem to indicate that. That's precisely what she was indicating. We don't know how true or not that is -- all we know, factually, is that Marvel's issue press statement in response and here's what it said. --Tenebrae 05:29, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, Joe Quesada has already said it's not true, and it will be revealed in future issues of "The Initiative" that Ms. Marvel was lying to attempt to confuse and sway Spider-Woman. However, until that's actually printed in an issue, it's not really something we should be throwing onto the page, I figure. So we'll wait for her lie to be outed before we cite it. --Bishop2 09:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, Tenebrae. As I see it, the fact worth reporting in the entry is simply that Marvel issued a press release to clarify the ambiguity introduced by 2 characters talking about Captain America in a second title. The sequence of what happened was that readers noticed the ambiguity, and Marvel reacted (almost immediately) by issuing an unambiguous statement. I apologize if you perceived that my "grammar and clarity" edit went beyond it's advertised scope; it wasn't my intention to obfuscate or mislead. One last stickler-ish grammatical point: a press release can't actually "say" anything. A press release states something, or an individual comments in one (although quoting the one cited here is difficult, since the individual commenting is not identified). A release clarifies something, conveys information, or contains certain information.--Galliaz 13:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, apparently people are going to keep on editing the article to add the "Ms. Marvel says that Cap isn't dead" information until we finally stop them from doing it permanently. So in response, I've finally added my own version which cites the Quesada interview where he said it was a lie. That should stop the madness for the time being. --Bishop2 18:01, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Bishop! I actually think we ought to hold the line on this one. However, I made the change before commenting here, though, so if you feel strongly the other way, let's replace the information.--Galliaz 20:36, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I fear that without it, people are just going to keep on adding the bit about Ms. Marvel claiming he's alive. However, we can wait and see. If it happens again, I'll go ahead and re-add the info. Until that occurs, however, I'll defer to your judgment and leave it out. --Bishop2 21:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Captain america in the 21st century

CovenantD removed a few lines I had added. Perhaps the format of the post was slightly off but what I stated was factual. >>>In a television interview with ABC News Joe Quesada stated "I don't think it (the Marvel Universe)is going to be without an Captain America, the question is who will become Captain America?"<<<

Is a fact. I have seen the interview. It is up on youtube if you want to look. >>Leading fans to speculate that a new character will take up the costume.<< another fact - fans are speculating that.

I would like you to either restore my post in a format you think would be more appropriate, or prove me wrong.

User: Wordforge(82.42.51.139 19:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

You need to provide more information about the interview; when it aired, at the very least. I don't know what licensing arrangement ABC has with YouTube and a link to that clip wouldn't be appropriate unless licensing were known. It could be a copyright infringement otherwise.
Fans speculate, on the other hand, is almost never an appropriate entry in this encyclopedia. Read up on attribution for more on that. A relative handful of people on some message boards somewhere doesn't rise to the level of a Reliable Source.
Finally, even if you did have appropriate sources, you've been placing it in the wrong section. Fictional biography is for what is known from the comics. Publication info is for what people in the real world have said or done about the character. CovenantD 20:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Here is the link to the interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQO9xk7bxNk

It is about 2 thirds in. I don't know how to get the date from it but I would apreciate it if you could find out and then put my Joe Quesada quote back in the appropopriate section. Thanks(82.42.51.139 20:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

No additional edit is necessary, I think, because this information is already present in the Publication History section of the entry. Here's the relevant paragraph: Marvel Entertainment Editor-in-Chief Joe Quesada commented, however, that a Captain America comeback wasn't impossible. The character's death came as a blow to co-creator Joe Simon, who said, "It's a hell of a time for him to go. We really need him now."--Galliaz 21:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

>>No additional edit is necessary, I think, because this information is already present in the Publication History section of the entry<<

The difference is that my quote explicitly says that someone else will become Captain america. The above quote merely states that a comeback is not ruled out. (Wordforge 23:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Heroes Reborn

Sorry if I've missed a discussion of this, but with all the attention on Cap's latest death some mention of the previous one, facing Onslaught, would seem relevant. Granted it was undone not long after but was surely the most significant CA story of last few years prior to recent? Happy to put in but wanted to pitch first. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ravcasleygera (talk • contribs) 01:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Assassination/"D.O.A."

"He is declared DOA after being taken to a hospital." I removed this sentence from the Assassination section because nowhere in Cap 25 does anyone, doctor or otherwise, declare Steve dead, nor is it indicated that he was dead on arrival. I am being bold with this edit but honestly this sentence is just false. STFmaryville 15:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

You're right, so I've got no problem with the edit, but I added a sentence describing what occurs in the hospital. Here's Brubaker's own description [1] from the script:
And in a room in the ER, Steve Rogers lies on a gurney, one arm hanging down, his Captain America glove visible on its hand. A white sheet has been pulled up to cover him, and blood soaks through the sheet from his belly and chest. We just see part of his face, where the sheet didn’t totally cover him up, and we see one eye, empty of life.--Galliaz 18:58, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shield edit

I just added a small edit to the description of Cap's skill with his shield, mentioning that he could also perform boomerang throws with it. If it is deemed that this addition is unnecessary then kindly remove it with my apologies, but I thought I should mention the change here for completeness's sake, esp. with all the other talk going on here about the recent "death". 64.218.89.104 17:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Punisher Info

When a comic in which the Punisher dons the mask appears in print, then it'd be appropriate to add the information. Up until then, it's speculative — even though Marvel itself is the entity making the Punisher/Cap promotional art publicly available. (My reasoning being that sometimes what's inside a comic can be radically different from what is depicted on the cover.)--Galliaz 19:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. We have no context for that costume right now. For all we know, it's an outfit Frank dons in tribute to Cap as he goes out and attempts to kill the people responsible. Doesn't mean he's going to start calling himself Captain America. All we've got is one piece of art and the text "Is this the new Captain America?" Which is a far cry from saying "This IS the new Captain America." --Bishop2 19:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Media storm

Should there not be mention in this article of the media storm that erupted upon the news of Captain America's death? It is not every comic book superhero who has his obituary published in the New York Times, and articles about the meaning of his life and death published in newspapers around the world. His death was even a newsflash on CNN. The media (and public) reaction to this tragedy (however manufactured) certainly seems worthy of mention in this article. Jeffpw 13:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Describing the assassination

The current description is:

Orchestrated by the Red Skull, the assassination involves Crossbones deployed as a sniper.
In addition, Dr. Faustus, posing as a S.H.I.E.L.D. psychiatrist, has manipulated Sharon Carter and implanted in her mind a hypnotic suggestion that she believes caused her to shoot Rogers at the crucial moment.

The first sentence seems unnecessarily non-direct. Under orders from the Red Skull, Crossbones shot Cap. Why not just say so? Granted there was apparently more to the plan than just Crossbones shooting him, but why the soft "involves Crossbones deployed as a sniper"? Makes it sound like maybe the sniper never actually fired. He was just deployed.

In the second part, has it been established that Carter's shooting of Cap is just her belief? As I read it in the latest issue of CA, after the assassination Carter remembers that she was the one who pulled the trigger. Perhaps it will turn out that this memory is false, but from what we've seen so far Faustus manipulated Carter into shooting Cap, not into just thinking she did. -- Sean Martin 17:54, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph preceding the one you quote actually provides the info that CA has been shot and killed; the one you quote informs the reader who organized the plot, and who was deployed as the shooter. So, I think the sentence works as it's constructed. The Sharon Carter sentence construction is admittedly a bit awkward, with the "she believes" insertion breaking the flow of the sentence. There's discussion of this point in the "Reason for the reversion" section of this Talk page.--Galliaz 20:45, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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